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[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
He gives more bluff and bluster coupled with generalized and vague references, and yet this joker STILL has not logically or factually proven what I stated above wrong. Like I said before, intellectually bankrupt neocons go on a personal attack tirade when faced with information that contradicts their socio-political beliefs.

Oh, and here's something the poor fool needs to know in conjunction with the current controversy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P7fpxA3yUs

Which still holds no water, in your accusation that this will occur in AZ.
By the way, it's been proven that you're an ass.

Go back and read....my "accusation" was quoting the actual new law which EXPANDS the credentials the officer can demand from the "suspect". When you read the rest to the law, it's up to the discretion of the officer to determine if such documentation is valid, and whether the suspect should be detained as a possible illegal alien BASED ON THE OFFICER'S SUSPICION.

As the example I provided showed, DESPITE having proper driver's license, a woman was detained because she did NOT carry her birth certificate....which at the time WAS NOT REQUIRED TO DETERMINE HER OWNERSHIP OF THE CAR OR HER BEING A CITIZEN OF THE STATE THAT ISSUED HER DRIVERS LICENSE. Bottom line: the cop "suspected" and ran her in .....a bogus (and illegal)move...something which has NOW BEEN MADE LEGAL IN ARIZONA.

Bottom line: anyone with a High School GED in reading comprehension can see the dangerous potential of the new Arizona law, given the wrongful precedents that exist, as the Associated Press documented.

So once again, FACTS prove your assertions wrong. You may continue in your insipid stubborness and irrelevent childish insults.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Ahhh, but you're not reading comprehensively! See it's the cop who determines what's "reasonable", and the criteria he's now given are SEVERAL forms of identity that the cop can choose from to address his "reasonable" suspicion.

Back to square one: the cop is now given the power to demand from a person he "suspects" is an illegal alien to produce either a VISA, non-drivers ID, drivers license, birth certificate, tribal card......either one and/or more of the forementioned. People who don't meet the criteria as determined at the point of question can get a trip to the local police station to be held. That doesn't bode well for the Native American who's bopping down to the store for something or stops to shoot the breeze with similar friends and gets pulled over or stopped.......for "looking Mexican".

No, you are the one with the reading comprehension problem, BEFORE the cop can ask for ID, he has to have what is called "PROBABLE CAUSE" ....it's stated very clearly in the law. As you say, the devil is in the details.

Now... IF the cop has probable cause (and cops ALWAYS make that determination in ALL instances), THEN he can ask for ID... and IF the person in question doesn't have any ID, or can't provide proper ID, he can proceed according to the law, by bringing him in for further questioning and investigation. This is already the case in every state, regarding every suspect, in every kind of suspicion of a crime, with all law enforcement in America. Nothing new, nothing different.

Again, The COP NOW HAS THE POWER TO ASK FOR ID FORMS THAT ARE NOT PARTICUALLY RELATED TO THE SUSPECTED OFFENSE OF THE PERSON BEING QUESTIONED. Here, maybe this will help you understand:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=640795&postcount=161

 

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Them dayum JTB fellers better not ax me or my kin for no dayum papers! 'Course, us Are-yuns don't look like no dayum Meskin, no suh!