Great Moments in Socialism

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Cypress

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The Internet

Developed and invented (with as assist from Al Gore)
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by the not-for-profit socialists at the ARPANET project; and subsequently provided for free for commercial use by capitalists and the general public.


World Wide Web

In vented by socialist/liberal scientists at CERN, who had no interest in profit motives (or in listening to any teabagger lectures on creation science)
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Perhaps the most important day in Internet history was April 30, 1993, when the socialists at CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees due.

That's the day that Cern put the web in the public domain, thereby ensuring that the world would have a single system for accessing the Internet, instead of a Microsoft Web, a Macintosh Web and who knows, perhaps even an Amstrad Web.

Today, it is hard to imagine a world without the socialist CERN world wide web, yet well into the 1990s, internet access was the reserve of the privileged few, mainly academics.

And today, great hilarity ensues when teabaggers pound their keyboards, and post their rants against socialism on a medium that was essentially invented to their benefit by socialists.

Mosaic

First Socialist Web Browser, credited with popularizing the World Wide Web.

Mosaic was developed by the publically funded socialists at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign beginning in late 1992. NCSA released the browser in 1993, and officially discontinued development and support on January 7, 1997. However, it can still be downloaded from NCSA.

Fifteen years after its introduction, the most popular contemporary browsers, Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, retain many of the characteristics of the original Mosaic graphical user interface (GUI) and interactive experience.

Mozilla

The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit socialist organization that exists to support and provide leadership for the open source Mozilla project. The organization sets the policies that govern development, operate key infrastructure and control trademarks and other intellectual property. It owns two taxable for-profit subsidiaries: the Mozilla Corporation, which employs several Mozilla developers and coordinates releases of the Mozilla Firefox web browser, and Mozilla Messaging, Inc., which primarily develops the Mozilla Thunderbird email client. The Mozilla Foundation is based in the Silicon Valley city of Mountain View, California, USA.

The Mozilla Foundation describes itself in very socialist terms as "a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving choice and promoting innovation on the Internet".

GNU Project and Open Source Initiative

A ball-to-the-wall project of socialist scientists dedicated to the propagation and free distribution of wholly free software operating systems, not controlled by corporatists or for-profit entities.

The plan for the GNU operating system was publicly announced on September 27, 1983, on the net.unix-wizards and net.usoft newsgroups by Richard Stallman.Software development began on January 5, 1984, when Stallman quit his job at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Artificial Intelligence Laboratory so that they could not claim ownership or interfere with distributing GNU as free software.

Richard Stallman chose the name by using various plays on words, including the song The Gnu. The goal was to bring a wholly free software operating system into existence. Stallman wanted computer users to be "free", as most were in the 1960s and 1970s — free to study the source code of the software they use, free to share the software with other people, free to modify the behaviour of the software, and free to publish their modified versions of the software. This philosophy was later published as the GNU Manifesto in March 1985.




….Other great socialist achievements throughout history where the public welfare and public commons were enhanced by people not motivated by profit:

National Institute for Health
Social Security
Medicaid
Medicaid
National Park Service
Public Education-Public Universities
National Science Foundation
The War on Christmas
 
Cypress said:
The Internet

Developed and invented (with as assist from Al Gore)
algoren.jpg
by the not-for-profit socialists at the ARPANET project; and subsequently provided for free for commercial use by capitalists and the general public.


World Wide Web

In vented by socialist/liberal scientists at CERN, who had no interest in profit motives (or in listening to any teabagger lectures on creation science)
sci.jpg


Perhaps the most important day in Internet history was April 30, 1993, when the socialists at CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees due.

That's the day that Cern put the web in the public domain, thereby ensuring that the world would have a single system for accessing the Internet, instead of a Microsoft Web, a Macintosh Web and who knows, perhaps even an Amstrad Web.

Today, it is hard to imagine a world without the socialist CERN world wide web, yet well into the 1990s, internet access was the reserve of the privileged few, mainly academics.

And today, great hilarity ensues when teabaggers pound their keyboards, and post their rants against socialism on a medium that was essentially invented to their benefit by socialists.

Mosaic

First Socialist Web Browser, credited with popularizing the World Wide Web.

Mosaic was developed by the publically funded socialists at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign beginning in late 1992. NCSA released the browser in 1993, and officially discontinued development and support on January 7, 1997. However, it can still be downloaded from NCSA.

Fifteen years after its introduction, the most popular contemporary browsers, Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, retain many of the characteristics of the original Mosaic graphical user interface (GUI) and interactive experience.

Mozilla

The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit socialist organization that exists to support and provide leadership for the open source Mozilla project. The organization sets the policies that govern development, operate key infrastructure and control trademarks and other intellectual property. It owns two taxable for-profit subsidiaries: the Mozilla Corporation, which employs several Mozilla developers and coordinates releases of the Mozilla Firefox web browser, and Mozilla Messaging, Inc., which primarily develops the Mozilla Thunderbird email client. The Mozilla Foundation is based in the Silicon Valley city of Mountain View, California, USA.

The Mozilla Foundation describes itself in very socialist terms as "a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving choice and promoting innovation on the Internet".

GNU Project and Open Source Initiative

A ball-to-the-wall project of socialist scientists dedicated to the propagation and free distribution of wholly free software operating systems, not controlled by corporatists or for-profit entities.

The plan for the GNU operating system was publicly announced on September 27, 1983, on the net.unix-wizards and net.usoft newsgroups by Richard Stallman.Software development began on January 5, 1984, when Stallman quit his job at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Artificial Intelligence Laboratory so that they could not claim ownership or interfere with distributing GNU as free software.

Richard Stallman chose the name by using various plays on words, including the song The Gnu. The goal was to bring a wholly free software operating system into existence. Stallman wanted computer users to be "free", as most were in the 1960s and 1970s — free to study the source code of the software they use, free to share the software with other people, free to modify the behaviour of the software, and free to publish their modified versions of the software. This philosophy was later published as the GNU Manifesto in March 1985.




….Other great socialist achievements throughout history where the public welfare and public commons were enhanced by people not motivated by profit:

National Institute for Health
Social Security
Medicaid
Medicaid
National Park Service
Public Education-Public Universities
National Science Foundation
The War on Christmas
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One more addition. Our armed services. They are also socialist institutions.
 
Oh you've opened a hornets nest here! LOL

You should qualify your comments. Given past history, who in their right mind would want to live under a purely socialist form of governance? Not I, that's for sure.

If you are trying to make a point that there is a time and a place for socialist institutions, then I do agree with that.

The raging question now, is should our nations health care system be a publicly financed (i.e. socialist) system? Should it be completely private (pay or suffer) or should it include elements of both?

Should the USA implement the three following principles of health care reform that all of the modern industrial nations have implemented.

#1. A public option for health care be available to the public that is financed by the public.
#2. That all persons will be required to carry health care coverage of some sort (public or private)
#3. That health care cost/pricing be regulated.
 
THE LIBERAL MIND

The Psychological Causes of Political Madness...Dr. Lyle Rossiter

Why do modern liberals think and act as they do? The radical left's politics and its destructive effects on our basic freedoms have provoked many to speculate on what makes these people tick. The Liberal Mind answers the question. This book is the first systematic analysis of the political madness that now threatens to destroy the West's greatest achievement: the American dream of civilized liberty. In his penetrating analysis, Dr. Rossiter reveals modern liberalism's assaults on: The freedom of adults to make good lives for themselves by cooperating with others, The ability of families to raise children to be self-reliant and mutual, and The morals, rights and laws that protect our freedoms. Modern liberalism's irrationality can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche. The Liberal Mind reveals the madness of the modern liberal for what it is: a massive transference neurosis acted out in the world's political arenas, with devastating effects on the institutions of liberty.
About the Author
Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D. received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago. He is board certified in both general and forensic psychiatry and has diagnosed and treated mental disorders for more than forty years. He has been retained by numerous public offices, courts, and private attorneys as a forensic psychiatrist and has consulted in more than 2700 civil and criminal cases in both state and federal jurisdictions.
 
So what you're saying is, when we privatize government held resources, they're put to more productive economic and social use by the public than if they were micro-managed by bureaucrats.

Yes, I agree.
 
bravo said:
THE LIBERAL MIND

The Psychological Causes of Political Madness...Dr. Lyle Rossiter

Why do modern liberals think and act as they do? The radical left's politics and its destructive effects on our basic freedoms have provoked many to speculate on what makes these people tick. The Liberal Mind answers the question. This book is the first systematic analysis of the political madness that now threatens to destroy the West's greatest achievement: the American dream of civilized liberty. In his penetrating analysis, Dr. Rossiter reveals modern liberalism's assaults on: The freedom of adults to make good lives for themselves by cooperating with others, The ability of families to raise children to be self-reliant and mutual, and The morals, rights and laws that protect our freedoms. Modern liberalism's irrationality can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche. The Liberal Mind reveals the madness of the modern liberal for what it is: a massive transference neurosis acted out in the world's political arenas, with devastating effects on the institutions of liberty.
About the Author
Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D. received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago. He is board certified in both general and forensic psychiatry and has diagnosed and treated mental disorders for more than forty years. He has been retained by numerous public offices, courts, and private attorneys as a forensic psychiatrist and has consulted in more than 2700 civil and criminal cases in both state and federal jurisdictions.
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Of course, we all know why freedoms are involved, don't we? When it comes to things like Social Security, Medicare, a national health plan, etc. everyone has to be on board, otherwise, no help is forthcoming. A lot of those programs wouldn't need to be in force IF the government and the people simply helped those in need. Ahhh, but then we hear the old "they're getting something for nothing" wails.

The health plan is the perfect example. If those who required help received it then everyone else could go about their business and no ones freedom would be interfered with. Contribute a few pennies to the pot and that's it.

Simply stated, the cheap, miserly, jealous, non-caring, selfish portion of the population won't help anyone so in the end the government has to step in and that results in a plan that covers everyone which, naturally, will have rules and regulations.

Our esteemed doctor writes, "Modern liberalism's irrationality can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche."

Disorders of the psyche? Wanting to help the struggling single mother is a disorder of the psyche? Wanting the less fortunate to have access to health care is a disorder of the psyche? Wanting children to be properly nourished in order for them to concentrate on learning rather than fighting off hunger pangs is a disorder of the psyche?

Psychopathology: a pathological deviation from normal or efficient behavior.

To watch while men and woman and even children suffer from illnesses and hunger when we have the ability to correct that is neither normal nor efficient. I say the esteemed doctor is a wacko. :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh you've opened a hornets nest here! LOL

You should qualify your comments. Given past history, who in their right mind would want to live under a purely socialist form of governance? Not I, that's for sure.

If you are trying to make a point that there is a time and a place for socialist institutions, then I do agree with that.

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You’re right. It’s teabagger folly to conflate socialism with totalitarianism. The soviets and the Maoists were totalitarians, first and foremost. That's a political system, not an economic system. Bernie Sanders qualifies himself as a democratic socialist, and I can’t think of anything he’s said that I disagree with on principle. I'm down with Bernie. At any rate, these words and definitions are fairly lame. They're just slogans, at best. The biggest socialists on the planet are the captains of Wall Street, and the other corporatist goons who insist that their bought-and-paid for politicians practice corporate socialism, and welfare for the wealthy.

The deal is that the teabaggers (hilariously) have reinvented a new definition of “socialism” that deviates so far from the dictionary definition that it’s completely laughable to any non-teabagger. Anyone to the left of Trent Lott, and Ronald Reagan is now a socialist in their teabagging narrative. Obama is a socialist. Nancy Pelosi is a socialist. Which means, every liberal social democratic country on the planet must be socialist: German, Denmark, New Zealand, Norway, Netherlands.

I had no idea that socialists had taken over the planet! The teabagging American conservative contingent appears to be an infinitesimally small minority in the democratic, developed world according to this new invented definition of socialism. Astonishing!

I think you might know where I’m coming down on this. I’m down with a regulated and vibrant market economy that is held in check. They do a good job, in principle, of providing consumer services and manufactured products. And they tend to be the only viable option for applied scientific and engineering research, taking existing core science research and developing consumer products out of it.

As for public education, healthcare, retirement security, and publicly funded core scientific research, I guess I’m down with socialism. Viva la revolucion!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
One more addition. Our armed services. They are also socialist institutions.
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no, they are not. they are specifically prescribed as a congressional power in the constitution. Those military members also pay federal taxes from their salaries, pay for their own haircuts, drycleaning, uniforms, etc.

there is nothing socialist about the armed services.
 
Cypress said:
The Internet


World Wide Web

In vented by socialist/liberal scientists at CERN, who had no interest in profit motives (or in listening to any teabagger lectures on creation science)
sci.jpg


Perhaps the most important day in Internet history was April 30, 1993, when the socialists at CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees due.

That's the day that Cern put the web in the public domain, thereby ensuring that the world would have a single system for accessing the Internet, instead of a Microsoft Web, a Macintosh Web and who knows, perhaps even an Amstrad Web.

Today, it is hard to imagine a world without the socialist CERN world wide web, yet well into the 1990s, internet access was the reserve of the privileged few, mainly academics.

And today, great hilarity ensues when teabaggers pound their keyboards, and post their rants against socialism on a medium that was essentially invented to their benefit by socialists.

Mosaic

First Socialist Web Browser, credited with popularizing the World Wide Web.

Mosaic was developed by the publically funded socialists at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign beginning in late 1992. NCSA released the browser in 1993, and officially discontinued development and support on January 7, 1997. However, it can still be downloaded from NCSA.

Fifteen years after its introduction, the most popular contemporary browsers, Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, retain many of the characteristics of the original Mosaic graphical user interface (GUI) and interactive experience.

Mozilla

The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit socialist organization that exists to support and provide leadership for the open source Mozilla project. The organization sets the policies that govern development, operate key infrastructure and control trademarks and other intellectual property. It owns two taxable for-profit subsidiaries: the Mozilla Corporation, which employs several Mozilla developers and coordinates releases of the Mozilla Firefox web browser, and Mozilla Messaging, Inc., which primarily develops the Mozilla Thunderbird email client. The Mozilla Foundation is based in the Silicon Valley city of Mountain View, California, USA.

The Mozilla Foundation describes itself in very socialist terms as "a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving choice and promoting innovation on the Internet".

GNU Project and Open Source Initiative

A ball-to-the-wall project of socialist scientists dedicated to the propagation and free distribution of wholly free software operating systems, not controlled by corporatists or for-profit entities.

The plan for the GNU operating system was publicly announced on September 27, 1983, on the net.unix-wizards and net.usoft newsgroups by Richard Stallman.Software development began on January 5, 1984, when Stallman quit his job at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Artificial Intelligence Laboratory so that they could not claim ownership or interfere with distributing GNU as free software.

Richard Stallman chose the name by using various plays on words, including the song The Gnu. The goal was to bring a wholly free software operating system into existence. Stallman wanted computer users to be "free", as most were in the 1960s and 1970s — free to study the source code of the software they use, free to share the software with other people, free to modify the behaviour of the software, and free to publish their modified versions of the software. This philosophy was later published as the GNU Manifesto in March 1985.




….Other great socialist achievements throughout history where the public welfare and public commons were enhanced by people not motivated by profit:

National Institute for Health
Social Security
Medicaid
Medicaid
National Park Service
Public Education-Public Universities
National Science Foundation
The War on Christmas
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You forgot to mention Tim Berners-Lee who invented the Worldwide Web, without him all of these fools would be impotent. Open source software is a concept which is beyond the peabrain's capacity to contemplate.
 
ah, great moments of socialism....
United Kingdom

The following companies/industries were the subject of nationalisation in the given year:

* 1868 Nationalisation of inland telegraphs under the GPO[11]
* 1875 Suez Canal Company - The Egyptian share in the company was bought out by the British Government.
* 1912 Nationalisation of inland telephone services under the GPO, apart from Portsmouth, Hull, Guernsey, and Jersey. The Portsmouth telephone service was nationalised the following year.
* 1916 Liquor Trade - The nationalisation of pubs and breweries in Carlisle, Gretna, Cromarty and Enfield under the State Management Scheme; mainly an attempt to restricting alcohol consumption by armaments factory workers. The scheme was privatised by asset transfer in 1973.[12]
* 1926 Central Electricity Board introduced under The Electricity (Supply) Act 1926 established the National Grid and set up a national standard for electricity supply in the UK.
* 1927 British Broadcasting Company (a privately owned company) became British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), a public corporation operating under a Royal Charter.
* 1933 London Transport
* 1938 Nationalisation of UK Coal Royalties under the Coal Commission[13]
* 1939 British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) later to become British Airways (BA) - combining the private British Airways Ltd. and the state owned Imperial Airways
* 1939 At the outset of World War II, much of British industry was subjected to State regulation or control, although not nationalised as such.
* 1943 North of Scotland Hydro-Electricity Board
* 1946 Coal industry under the National Coal Board (later British Coal); Bank of England - the latter had had private shareholders who were bought out by the state.
* 1947 Central Electricity Generating Board and area electricity boards, Cable & Wireless Ltd - the latter had had private shareholders who were bought out by the state.
* 1948 National rail, water transport, some road haulage, road passenger transport and Thomas Cook & Son under the British Transport Commission. Separate elements operated as British Railways, British Road Services, and British Waterways, also national health services created (for England and Wales, for Scotland and for Northern Ireland) taking over a mixture of previously Local Authority, private commercial and charitable organisations.
* 1949 Local authority gas supply undertakings in England, Scotland and Wales
* 1951 Iron and Steel Industry (denationalised by the following Conservative Government)[14]
* 1967 British Steel
* 1969 National Bus Company, combining former interests of the British Transport Commission with others acquired from the British Electric Traction group.
* 1969 Post Office Corporation created
* 1971 Rolls-Royce (1971) Ltd - The strategically-important aero-engine part of the recently-bankrupt Rolls Royce Limited.
* 1973 Local authority water supply undertakings in England and Wales
* 1973 British Gas Corporation created, replacing regional gas boards.
* 1974 British Petroleum - the combination of a 50% stake bought by Winston Churchill as First Lord of the Admiralty after World War I with around a 25% stake acquired by the Bank of England from Burmah Oil made the UK Government directly or indirectly BP's majority shareholder, though commercial independence was maintained. The shares were all sold during the 1980s.
* 1975 National Enterprise Board - a State holding company for full or partial ownership of industrial undertakings
* 1976 British Leyland Motor Corporation - became British Leyland upon nationalization. Privatized in 1986 to British Aerospace.
* 1977 British Aerospace - combining the major aircraft companies British Aircraft Corporation, Hawker Siddeley and others. British Shipbuilders - combining the major shipbuilding companies including Cammell Laird, Govan Shipbuilders, Swan Hunter, Yarrow Shipbuilders
* 1981 British Telecom created, taking control of telecommunications services from the Post Office
* 1984 Johnson Matthey - purchased for a nominal sum of £1 by the Thatcher government [15]
* 1997 Docklands Light Railway - John Prescott announced to the 1997 Labour Party Conference that he had nationalised this.[15]
* 2001 Railtrack - The owner and operator of the railway infrastructure, Railtrack, was not nationalised as such. However, its replacement Network Rail, whilst not a state-owned company, has no shareholders (company limited by guarantee) and is underwritten by the state. In addition prior to this the government began to make use of a residual shareholding of 0.2% (including voting rights) in Railtrack Group Plc leftover from the original sale.[16]
* 2008 Northern Rock - announced by Alistair Darling, Chancellor of the Exchequer on 17 February 2008 as 'a temporary measure'. The bank will be run at 'arms length' as a commercial business and sold to a private buyer in the future.[17]
* 2008 Bradford & Bingley (mortgage book only) - announced by Alistair Darling, Chancellor of the Exchequer on 29 September 2008. The loans part of the company was nationalised, while the commercial bank was sold off.[18]
* 2008 In October, the Royal Bank of Scotland, and the newly merged HBOS-Lloyds TSB was partly nationalised. The Government took over approximately 60% of RBS (later increased to 70%, then 80%) and 40% of HBOS-Lloyds TSB. This is part of the £500bn bank rescue package.
* 2009 On 13 November, Directly Operated Railways, a government company, took over the East Coast Main Line railway franchise that National Express had bought in 2007 for £1.4 billion, a sum originally to be paid over 7 years. The nationalised service operates as East Coast and includes services from London to York and Edinburgh. It has been stated by the government that their control is a temporary measure, initially to last 2 years.
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SmarterThanYou said:
no, they are not. they are specifically prescribed as a congressional power in the constitution. Those military members also pay federal taxes from their salaries, pay for their own haircuts, drycleaning, uniforms, etc.

there is nothing socialist about the armed services.
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exactly

people like mott will also tell you that when obama took over 60% of GM that it was not socialist....how they can say that is not socialist and then claimed the military is, is bizarre
 
SmarterThanYou said:
no, they are not. they are specifically prescribed as a congressional power in the constitution. Those military members also pay federal taxes from their salaries, pay for their own haircuts, drycleaning, uniforms, etc.

there is nothing socialist about the armed services.
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Dude, the military is the closest thing to socialism in the world. Yes, taxes are paid, but realistically, it's socialism.
 
how the F can you say the military is the 'closest' thing to socialism?

all types of governments have military, yet you proclaim that socialism owns the military....no way, no how
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Dude, the military is the closest thing to socialism in the world. Yes, taxes are paid, but realistically, it's socialism.
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ridiculous.....the operation of a military was been a defined function of government for thousands of years before the concept of "socialism" was ever dreamed of.......
 
The concept of "socialism" goes back to the first family, everyone working for the benefit of the group and we still practice and encourage families today.

Be it families or businesses or communities they all function best when everyone works as a team and that is the basis of Socialism. The strange thing is we only disparage governments by branding them Socialist when they attempt to do the same thing. Most peculiar.
 
Adam Weinberg said:
So what you're saying is, when we privatize government held resources, they're put to more productive economic and social use by the public than if they were micro-managed by bureaucrats.

Yes, I agree.
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Thanks for the response, but I would edit it this way:


Adam Weinberg said:
So what you're saying is, when we privatize government held resources, publicly fund scientific research, education, and technology, they're put to more productive economic and social use by the public than if they were micro-managed by bureaucrats. it can be used for the public benefit, in both capitalist ventures and by private citizens free from control and monopolization by the corporatists and Wall Street tycoons.

Yes, I agree.
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The internet and the web you type your libertarians, get-government-out-of-the-way views on was provided to you because scientists, policy makers, and engineers developed them with public resources, and were required either by law, or by personal philosophy to put these inventions out there in the public domain, making them free of any control by corporatist interests.

My clear understanding is that the libertarians, teabaggers, and conservative republican view are that American government is limited to taxation and expenditure authorities of the enumerated power, minus the general welfare clause. Under this ideology, national resources cannot be directed to areas of national scientific or technological advancement. Advancements of the nature that the socialists at ARPANET, NCSA, and other socialist venues of publicly funded research and engineering simply wouldn’t be possible with the teabagger and libertarian ideology.

I’m not sure if your libertarian views have changed, but yes I agree with what appears to be your position now: that public resources and public tax dollars spent on core research, technology, education and science have profound advantages because they can be leveraged into the free market, and into the public domain, for free and unfettered use by anyone. I would say these people, like the socialist scientists at CERN, have done more to maximize intellectual and economic freedom, than any corporatist...corporatists who are required to focus on profit, and monopolizing (to the extent they can get away with it) intellectual and economic property.

And give a tip of the hat to publicly funded scientists, and those free thinkers who are either willing, or obligated, to put their work out in the public domain for free use by anyone. Corporate scientists cannot do that because of their proprietary obligations. If you want a good laugh sometime, try calling up some Microsoft scientists sometime, and ask them if they’ll share their proprietary inventions and software code for free,
 
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