Great Moments in Socialism

People who claim the military is a socialist organization are among the most ignorant fucked in the head twits ever to walk upright.

Dictionary.com: "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

Wikipedia: "Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended."

Now, explain, you brain dead idiots, what part of Production, Distribution, Allocation of Resources (ie: ECONOMIC principles) does the military play?

Hint: the military is POLITICAL in function, not ECONOMIC.
 
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DoD research and other government funded research has quite often led to inventions of various types which end up being used elsewhere. Nothing new there. In fact most often those inventions are originated by a for-profit corporation under contract to the government, such as the printed circuit board, transistor, silicon processing chip, etc. etc. etc.

However, it was good old CAPITALISM that actually took the tools developed by ARPANET and CERN, and turned them into the actual internet we see today. Without the profit motive of advertising, selling and buying using the tools of the internet/web, it most likely would still be a series of text-only BBS occupied by techno-geeks bragging about how they are overclocking their latest home build computer.

Also, private (not government funded) non-profits such as Mozilla are hardly examples of "socialism", unless you want to also claim Christian Childrens' Fund is an example of socialism.

In short, grow a fucking brain. You haven't a foggy fucking clue what socialism even is.
 
Good Luck said:
Now to the original post:

DoD research and other government funded research has quite often led to inventions of various types which end up being used elsewhere. Nothing new there. In fact most often those inventions are originated by a for-profit corporation under contract to the government, such as the printed circuit board, transistor, silicon processing chip, etc. etc. etc.

However, it was good old CAPITALISM that actually took the tools developed by ARPANET and CERN, and turned them into the actual internet we see today. Without the profit motive of advertising, selling and buying using the tools of the internet/web, it most likely would still be a series of text-only BBS occupied by techno-geeks bragging about how they are overclocking their latest home build computer.

Also, private (not government funded) non-profits such as Mozilla are hardly examples of "socialism", unless you want to also claim Christian Childrens' Fund is an example of socialism.

In short, grow a fucking brain. You haven't a foggy fucking clue what socialism even is.
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Calm down. Are you the dude that said teabagger jokes were going to drive you to ammo up and start killing people? Suggestion: Anger therapy.


Hey man, it wasn't me that reinvented a new definition for socialism. It was the teabaggers who made up a definition of socialism that deviates so far from the dictionary definition as to render the dictionary definition meaningless. If Obama is a socialist, and if government spending on health insurance is socialist, then so is government spending on scientific research.

I'm assuming that your not hypocritical enough to judge taxes spent on health insurance to be socialist, but somehow taxes spent on scientific research to be fully constitutional and capitalist.

That would be either completely unprincipled and hypocritical, or it suggests that you are just fine with taxes being spent on things that personally benefit you, but are against taxes being spent on things that may benefit other people.


However, it was good old CAPITALISM that actually took the tools developed by ARPANET and CERN, and turned them into the actual internet we see today.
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Hey bro, nobody "owns" the web. It's not proprietary. It is totally unregulated, and you are free to do pretty much whatever you want on it, because it was invented and put in the public domain, free from proprietary control, because of the investment of tax dolllars, public funding, and modestly paid public employees.

Refer to post 20, where I clearly state that technological advances created through taxes and public funding can be leveraged by the free market to create consumer products. You might use a web browser that was developed privately by Microsoft. But, then based their web browser off the original public and tax payer funded inventions like Mosaic.

Can you imagine if the Web was controlled by IBM or ATT? Rather, that having been put in the public domain, free of restrictions and fees, by publically funded employees? Do you really think you think the Web would be as unrestricted, a medium for intellectual and economic freedom, if it were the propreitary domain of ATT? Laughable.

The greatest irony is, because the Web and Internet were kept free of corporatist interests, libertarians are free to post all the get-government-out-of-the-way, and slash-our-taxes nonsense they want....because they can do in on a medium that was invented, and kept free from proprietary restrictions due to public funding, tax investments, and socialist non-corporate scientists.
 
Good Luck said:
People who claim the military is a socialist organization are among the most ignorant fucked in the head twits ever to walk upright.

Dictionary.com: "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

Wikipedia: "Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended."

Now, explain, you brain dead idiots, what part of Production, Distribution, Allocation of Resources (ie: ECONOMIC principles) does the military play?

Hint: the military is POLITICAL in function, not ECONOMIC.
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It's called the quarter master corp. What is it with you guys and selective socialism? It's hillarious your so blind you can't see the obvious.
 
Yurt said:
not true. what production does the military own? they do not make their uniforms, weapons etc....private parties do that. you can't just call it socialist because the government funds something.

there is no equal allocation of resources based on labor expended, you are paid by rank, not labor expended. tell me what the military produces....what does it distribute? are you claiming there is no private property allowed in the military?
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Really, you mean if I join the millitary I can own a aircraft carrier or an M1 Abrahams tank? You are confusing socialism with communism.
 
Cypress said:
The Internet

Developed and invented (with as assist from Al Gore)
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by the not-for-profit socialists at the ARPANET project; and subsequently provided for free for commercial use by capitalists and the general public.


World Wide Web

In vented by socialist/liberal scientists at CERN, who had no interest in profit motives (or in listening to any teabagger lectures on creation science)
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Perhaps the most important day in Internet history was April 30, 1993, when the socialists at CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees due.

That's the day that Cern put the web in the public domain, thereby ensuring that the world would have a single system for accessing the Internet, instead of a Microsoft Web, a Macintosh Web and who knows, perhaps even an Amstrad Web.

Today, it is hard to imagine a world without the socialist CERN world wide web, yet well into the 1990s, internet access was the reserve of the privileged few, mainly academics.

And today, great hilarity ensues when teabaggers pound their keyboards, and post their rants against socialism on a medium that was essentially invented to their benefit by socialists.

Mosaic

First Socialist Web Browser, credited with popularizing the World Wide Web.

Mosaic was developed by the publically funded socialists at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign beginning in late 1992. NCSA released the browser in 1993, and officially discontinued development and support on January 7, 1997. However, it can still be downloaded from NCSA.

Fifteen years after its introduction, the most popular contemporary browsers, Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, retain many of the characteristics of the original Mosaic graphical user interface (GUI) and interactive experience.

Mozilla

The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit socialist organization that exists to support and provide leadership for the open source Mozilla project. The organization sets the policies that govern development, operate key infrastructure and control trademarks and other intellectual property. It owns two taxable for-profit subsidiaries: the Mozilla Corporation, which employs several Mozilla developers and coordinates releases of the Mozilla Firefox web browser, and Mozilla Messaging, Inc., which primarily develops the Mozilla Thunderbird email client. The Mozilla Foundation is based in the Silicon Valley city of Mountain View, California, USA.

The Mozilla Foundation describes itself in very socialist terms as "a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving choice and promoting innovation on the Internet".

GNU Project and Open Source Initiative

A ball-to-the-wall project of socialist scientists dedicated to the propagation and free distribution of wholly free software operating systems, not controlled by corporatists or for-profit entities.

The plan for the GNU operating system was publicly announced on September 27, 1983, on the net.unix-wizards and net.usoft newsgroups by Richard Stallman.Software development began on January 5, 1984, when Stallman quit his job at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Artificial Intelligence Laboratory so that they could not claim ownership or interfere with distributing GNU as free software.

Richard Stallman chose the name by using various plays on words, including the song The Gnu. The goal was to bring a wholly free software operating system into existence. Stallman wanted computer users to be "free", as most were in the 1960s and 1970s — free to study the source code of the software they use, free to share the software with other people, free to modify the behaviour of the software, and free to publish their modified versions of the software. This philosophy was later published as the GNU Manifesto in March 1985.




….Other great socialist achievements throughout history where the public welfare and public commons were enhanced by people not motivated by profit:

National Institute for Health
Social Security
Medicaid
Medicaid
National Park Service
Public Education-Public Universities
National Science Foundation
The War on Christmas
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More deceitful Cypress bullshit. Non-profit does not equate to Socialist, you are blurring the lines between what is done in the public sector versus the private. Mozilla is not run or financed by the government, it is a private organization and example of how people can create something useful in a space where a private for-profit entity would not work (ie: not many are interested in paying for a browser).
NOTHING to do with a socialistic government model.

When you have a more capitalistic society, there tends to be more charitable organizations and charity in general as:
A) People are taxed less and have more money to be charitable
and
B) People look at it more as their role to do rather than the state's

Americans have much less taxes than France and are 9 times more charitable:
http://www.aeipoliticalcorner.org/NO Articles/no020620.pdf

You might like to believe a socialist government leads by example, but in the end it really just assumes responsibility for something people did reasonably well by themselves. And far worse it conditions people to think that way.

You know cypress, most people have their fling with Socialism in their youthful days when they are full of ideology and not in the real working world yet. You on the other hand work at a capitalistic investment firm earning a six figure salary by your own admission where you basically take their money to come on here and denounce capitalism full time.
I mean there is just no bigger hypocrite that could possibly exist.
 
Cypress said:
I was going to say that outside of Microsoft Excel, and GIS, most of the analytical, and modeling software tools I use were originally developed or initiated by socialist researchers at publicly funded socialist universities, or in government labs.......And subsequent to their ideas and hard work being put in the public domain, those socialist inventions were ported to consumer products, updated and marketed by the captains of industry......

But, after a cursory review of Wikipedia, it appears that even spreadsheets and GIS originated from lowly paid public employees and communists. The concept and application of computer spreadsheets was apparently originally conceptualized and implemented by socialist professors at the University of California. And GIS was invented at the socialist Ministry of Forestry, in the People’s Republic of Canada.

Good Christ. Is there anything that socialism can’t do? And are there any technological advances, that wasn’t originally invented or initiated by socialist researchers who were funded by public tax dollars?
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GNU/Linux is the greatest achievement of the open source model of software development.

The London Stock Exchange has finally seen the light.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588339/london-stock-exchange-switches-linux
 
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KingCondanomation said:
You know cypress, most people have their fling with Socialism in their youthful days when they are full of ideology and not in the real working world yet.
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Excuse me for jumping in here but I've heard similar remarks over the 50+ years I've lived. The reason people change is due to the circumstances/society they are forced into. Make it a dog-eat-dog society and people are going to become dogs.

Years ago there were ADS regarding family violence. The AD read, "Violence begets violence." The point was the abused child is more likely to become an abuser. The same holds true with how we treat our fellow man.

Do we expect someone to help another when they were not helped? Do we expect a person to care about the hungry when no one gave a damn when they were hungry?

As for denouncing the current political system if one is poor their "socialist" beliefs are attributed to that. If one is financially comfortable they are considered hypocrites.

I fall in the latter category, however, I spent many more years in the former than the latter. It does not make me a hypocrite. I was fortunate. Timing and circumstance were the major reasons. I did not work harder than anyone else. I did not scratch and scrape. It was not hard earned money. I was lucky.

As the old saying goes, "But for the grace of God, there go I." Maybe more people should heed that.



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KingCondanomation said:
More deceitful Cypress bullshit. Non-profit does not equate to Socialist, you are blurring the lines between what is done in the public sector versus the private. Mozilla is not run or financed by the government, it is a private organization and example of how people can create something useful in a space where a private for-profit entity would not work (ie: not many are interested in paying for a browser).
NOTHING to do with a socialistic government model.

When you have a more capitalistic society, there tends to be more charitable organizations and charity in general as:
A) People are taxed less and have more money to be charitable
and
B) People look at it more as their role to do rather than the state's

Americans have much less taxes than France and are 9 times more charitable:
http://www.aeipoliticalcorner.org/NO Articles/no020620.pdf

You might like to believe a socialist government leads by example, but in the end it really just assumes responsibility for something people did reasonably well by themselves. And far worse it conditions people to think that way.

You know cypress, most people have their fling with Socialism in their youthful days when they are full of ideology and not in the real working world yet. You on the other hand work at a capitalistic investment firm earning a six figure salary by your own admission where you basically take their money to come on here and denounce capitalism full time.
I mean there is just no bigger hypocrite that could possibly exist.
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apple0154 said:
Excuse me for jumping in here but I've heard similar remarks over the 50+ years I've lived. The reason people change is due to the circumstances/society they are forced into. Make it a dog-eat-dog society and people are going to become dogs.

Years ago there were ADS regarding family violence. The AD read, "Violence begets violence." The point was the abused child is more likely to become an abuser. The same holds true with how we treat our fellow man.

Do we expect someone to help another when they were not helped? Do we expect a person to care about the hungry when no one gave a damn when they were hungry?

As for denouncing the current political system if one is poor their "socialist" beliefs are attributed to that. If one is financially comfortable they are considered hypocrites.

I fall in the latter category, however, I spent many more years in the former than the latter. It does not make me a hypocrite. I was fortunate. Timing and circumstance were the major reasons. I did not work harder than anyone else. I did not scratch and scrape. It was not hard earned money. I was lucky.

As the old saying goes, "But for the grace of God, there go I." Maybe more people should heed that.



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Amen brother. A little humility can go a long ways.
 
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