Greatest Generals Ever

[Minister of Truth]

Yes, a particularly brutal one. He was someone who supported both conscription - a compulsory proletarian army - and executions for deserters. I know the first wasn't brought to be, but the second, I can't remember. In any case, his victory over the White Army was a great victory for the country.

Not that I think the Bolsheviks - maybe with some exceptions - could have actually produced a successful regime. But it was a lot better than it what's suspect the Whites would've lead to.

You mean like how the Russian Republic that took power in March got Russia out of WWI as promised? Yeah, the whites clearly were bad for the country...

Also, fuck Trotsky.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Mott, you are (in true Ohioan fashion), not understanding what I'm saying. Again, I wasn't downplaying Hannibal. I already said he'd easily make my top 10. But the fact is that Roman general after Roman general would willingly charge head long into battle at locations and times that Hannibal wanted them too means that they weren't thinking. After the first couple times in those 15+ years, you'd think they'd realize this.

Of course some did, but they fell out of favor quickly.

Again, not true. The term "Fabian tactics", a term still used to this day in military strategy, was coined after Fabius Maximus for his delaying tactics in his deployments against Hannibal. At first "Fabian Tactics" were so unpopular with the Romans that he was nicknamed "Cunctator" (the delayer). Ultimately it was Fabian tactics that won the 2nd Punic war for the Romans.

 

[/MSG/]

Again, not true. The term "Fabian tactics", a term still used to this day in military strategy, was coined after Fabius Maximus for his delaying tactics in his deployments against Hannibal. At first "Fabian Tactics" were so unpopular with the Romans that he was nicknamed "Cunctator" (the delayer). Ultimately it was Fabian tactics that won the 2nd Punic war for the Romans.

Yeah, and those tactics were discarded as soon as Fabius was no longer Consul, meaning that most Roman generals didn't learn. But no, it wasn't Fabian tactics that won the war. It was Scipio, who was anything but Fabian.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yeah, and those tactics were discarded as soon as Fabius was no longer Consul, meaning that most Roman generals didn't learn. But no, it wasn't Fabian tactics that won the war. It was Scipio, who was anything but Fabian.

That was the third punic war.

 

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That was the third punic war.

No, it was the second. Scipio launching an assault on Carthage is what led to Hannibal being recalled from Rome.

 

[Annie]

You certainly have some interesting choices. Washington, as a general at least, was pretty shitty.

Not really. He learned quickly from his mistakes and was a genius at gaining loyalty of troops. Without him as general, we'd never have had a country.

 

[JB Clem]

I'd say Ike and McArthur were great generals during World War II

 

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I'd say Ike and McArthur were great generals during World War II

If by great you mean slightly above average, then yes, I'd agree.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Patton was great, Ike above average. I would say MacArthur has been vastly overrated, and Korea certainly demonstrates that if nothing else.