Guns in church bill dies in Arkansas Senate panel

leaningright said:
Ever since I have had a concealed carry license I carry everywhere I go that is legal. I have carried my gun to church for a long time......near 20 years. I have never had to use it anywhere......except at church. We were standing outside visiting like country folks do after church and someone ran over an old dog, not killing it but wounding it so that it couldn't be fixed. I was the only one who had a means to put the poor thing out of it's misery. I reached in my back pocket and did just that. I know this is a somewhat comical (depends on one's perspective I suppose) story but here is the deal. Every time I hear/read about some nut shooting up a church it reinforces to me the need for me to carry. Believe me, one wouldn't get far if they came in the door of our building with the intent of shooting up the place.......I ain't the only one packing.

I believe God gave us the means and the sense to take care of ourselves while putting our faith in Him. If you are sick, see a doctor (Matt. 9:12), work for a living (II Thess. 3:10), Be subject to the government ... to a certain extent (Rom. 13:1-7), etc. There's lots more to it than that but nowhere do I find that a Christian cannot defend himself when attacked. Many like to use the "turn the other cheek" quote but I would argue with them about that in life threatening situations. Some go to the extreme side of "do nothing and let God take over" and some go to the other extreme side and act like radical islamists wanting to kill whoever doesn't agree. Like I started this paragraph with: "I believe God gave us the means and the sense to take care of ourselves while putting our faith in Him."
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You wouldn't get a shooting because only the right is psychotic enough to go off shooting someone.
 
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Watermark said:
OK, one was a mega-church with security. And the death tolls were still simialar.
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so where do we draw the line? is it ok if only 3 people are shot? 5? 10? 32?

how many victims must there be before someone gets the clue that we should stop preventing people from being armed for self defense?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
so where do we draw the line? is it ok if only 3 people are shot? 5? 10? 32?

how many victims must there be before someone gets the clue that we should stop preventing people from being armed for self defense?
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My point is that either situation could've easily been far worse, and having guns and not having them produced simialar results. Playing MAD with shooters and giving everyone as many guns as they want everywhere is not the universal panacea to violence you fanatics would have us believe.

BTW, concealed carry is legal in the state the Universalist church was in. But let's just ignore that and blame gun banning liberals.
 
leaningright said:
Ever since I have had a concealed carry license I carry everywhere I go that is legal. I have carried my gun to church for a long time......near 20 years. I have never had to use it anywhere......except at church. We were standing outside visiting like country folks do after church and someone ran over an old dog, not killing it but wounding it so that it couldn't be fixed. I was the only one who had a means to put the poor thing out of it's misery. I reached in my back pocket and did just that. I know this is a somewhat comical (depends on one's perspective I suppose) story but here is the deal. Every time I hear/read about some nut shooting up a church it reinforces to me the need for me to carry. Believe me, one wouldn't get far if they came in the door of our building with the intent of shooting up the place.......I ain't the only one packing.

I believe God gave us the means and the sense to take care of ourselves while putting our faith in Him. If you are sick, see a doctor (Matt. 9:12), work for a living (II Thess. 3:10), Be subject to the government ... to a certain extent (Rom. 13:1-7), etc. There's lots more to it than that but nowhere do I find that a Christian cannot defend himself when attacked. Many like to use the "turn the other cheek" quote but I would argue with them about that in life threatening situations. Some go to the extreme side of "do nothing and let God take over" and some go to the other extreme side and act like radical islamists wanting to kill whoever doesn't agree. Like I started this paragraph with: "I believe God gave us the means and the sense to take care of ourselves while putting our faith in Him."
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Hey to each his own. I don't really have any axe to grind on CCW in Church but bringing a weapon into the house of the lord just strikes me as being, well, inapporpriate (ironically so). But that may just be cultural differences from where we live. So who am I to judge.
 
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SmarterThanYou said:
so where do we draw the line? is it ok if only 3 people are shot? 5? 10? 32?

how many victims must there be before someone gets the clue that we should stop preventing people from being armed for self defense?
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ROTFLMAO!!!I wouldn't worry your pretty little head over it. Your chances of dying in a car crash going to church are way greater then getting shot in church. Are you going to take an air bag in with you too? LOL LOL LOL
 
I guess my biggest question is about why they have the list of places a person with a CCW can carry.

If you do the background check and training necessary to get a CCW, why would you worry about them in certain places?

Its not about whether that place is safe enough to not need guns. Its about whether the person is trustworthy to carry a gun.
 
Solitary said:
I guess my biggest question is about why they have the list of places a person with a CCW can carry.

If you do the background check and training necessary to get a CCW, why would you worry about them in certain places?

Its not about whether that place is safe enough to not need guns. Its about whether the person is trustworthy to carry a gun.
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Safety precuations. You don't want fire arms in a bar because booze and bullets don't mix (believe me....I've tried...I've used straight up grain alcohol and them damned bullets still wouldn't mix!)
 
Mottleydude said:
Safety precuations. You don't want fire arms in a bar because booze and bullets don't mix (believe me....I've tried...I've used straight up grain alcohol and them damned bullets still wouldn't mix!)
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The best way to mix them is to buy someone a drink, then shoot them. Both are now inside the other person.
 
Someone asked this question......

you're the one not getting it. in every major mass shooting, what has been the common element?

The answer: They mostly all took place in an area where carrying was off limits. A place where the shooter knew they would/could not be resisted. Not all of the mass shootings, but most of them.
 
leaningright said:
Someone asked this question......

you're the one not getting it. in every major mass shooting, what has been the common element?

The answer: They mostly all took place in an area where carrying was off limits. A place where the shooter knew they would/could not be resisted. Not all of the mass shootings, but most of them.
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Gee...and I thought the common element was some wacko with a gun shooting people.

I mean this is such a non-issue. Like I said, how many more people have been killed driving to church? Way more people have been killed at church because of roofs collapsing, are you going to start wearing a hard hat to Church? Hire a P.E. to inspect the Church before you go in? Send your kids up on the roof and have them jump on it?

To me, and I mean no disrespect to anyones beliefs, it would be innappropriate to bring a gun or any weapon into the house of the Prince of Peace. Legal or not, I would never consider carrying a gun/weapon into Church.
 
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