have we missed an opportunity
- Thread starter Don Quixote
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Individuals are not the industry any more than you are whatever industry you work in. Your preposterous assertions of their insurance costs notwithstanding. You aim to "fix" it by attacking the wheels of the car, not the driver.
It's like reading those stories where "SUV kills family of four in rollover accident".
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
How it would help
HR 676 establishes an American-styled national health insurance program. The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered health care program that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories. The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans, guaranteed by law, will have access to the highest quality and cost effective health care services regardless of ones employment, income, or health care status.
With over 45-75 million uninsured Americans, and another 50 million who are under insured, it is time to change our inefficient and costly fragmented health care system.
Physicians For A National Health Program reports that under a Medicare For All plan, we could save over $286 billion dollars a year in total health care costs.
We would move away from our present system where annual family premiums have increased upwards to $9,068 this year.
Under HR 676, a family of three making $40,000 per year would spend approximately $1600 per year for health care coverage.
Medicare for All would allow the United States to reduce its almost $2 trillion health care expenditure per year while covering all of the uninsured and everybody else for more than they are getting under their current health care plans.
The taxes that will be required to support national health insurance is simply a lower cost alternative to the staggering private health insurance premiums that most of us already have to pay but which will be totally eliminated under the new system.
I invite you to read HR 676
http://www.pnhp.org/publications/united_states_national_health_care_act_hr_676.php
And if you need data on how US taxpayers subsidize private insurance it's real easy to find.
There is a real value to payment. Their education costs a pretty penny, then when they are done there is some value in the work they do. If they literally couldn't pay the rent, you would have no doctors or very few indeed. Those who believe that they are undervalued when compared to costs would not become doctors very often. The best and the brightest would more often than not choose a different profession.
Pretending that all doctors do it just for the rush of saving people is pretense that ignores the very real humanity of the individuals in the profession.
It seems that in the medical profession there is a lot more regulation within the industry itself than exists in other industries. And, given that bad doctors cause the malpractice rates of others to increase, there should be more of it if only as a matter of pure self-interest.
I'm good with regulation in the medical industry. Right now I am talking about the very real effects of malpractice costs on those that choose this profession. When you attempt to take out the individual from the equation and pretend that cost to the industry is all that counts you find yourself forgetting that you may be disincentivizing the best from even considering the profession.
uscitizen
Villified User
Where the heck did that come from???
No I say the DR's and medical industry should pay for or correct it's faults.
Absolutely nothing in the above sentence has anything to do with the conversation at hand.
Which is fine. My original statement was to Topper who insisted they were paid too much, and to you who suggested that since malpractice costs were only a small part of the increase over the past decade that it was unimportant.
What I drive at here is the very real effect it can have on the actual level of care you will get when you reach the surgeon's table.
You keep spouting off on an "industry" while I keep bringing the conversation back to the individuals in the industry.
uscitizen
Villified User
And of course the money is the only reason people become DR's?
your response:
Pretending that all doctors do it just for the rush of saving people is pretense that ignores the very real humanity of the individuals in the profession.
Where did I pretend ALL Dr's do it for saving people?
You are being disingenious.
your response:
Pretending that all doctors do it just for the rush of saving people is pretense that ignores the very real humanity of the individuals in the profession.
Where did I pretend ALL Dr's do it for saving people?
You are being disingenious.
From previous posts, since you clearly didn't bother to read and cut the portions out that you find inconvenient. Instead you keep coming up with platitudes.
I've bolded the portions you should pay attention to before you start off on how I said "nobody would" blah...
My point in bringing it up is that malpractice premium calculations are a veritable black box that everyone just blindly accepts. Premium calculations should be more transparent as well.
uscitizen
Villified User
Agreed LadyT.
btw Obama is pres, where is the whitel male slavery thing anyway?
Dixie and Dano need something productive to do.
No, but if you pay them less and less each year, you'll certainly have less of them.
I think they are going to vote on it next month. He's still ironing out the details.
First we have to take yer gunz first though.
uscitizen
Villified User
I will need to keep my guns to be able to protect you from the evil rascist right.
And some of the rascist left too.
Topspin
Verified User
fuck you and your uncle
my mom was in the Hospital and the prick dr comes in to say good morning and a fucking nano second glance at the chart $250. Fuck that
Topspin
Verified User
your stupid fuck to salesman
a insurance payment is a tax deductable business expense for doctors.
Right. You do know that it is like your salary. In order to make a profit the hospital charges you more than the doctor is worth.fuck you and your uncle
my mom was in the Hospital and the prick dr comes in to say good morning and a fucking nano second glance at the chart $250. Fuck that