He can win, but can he govern...

[Don Quixote]

Tell us genius... what happens when the money you borrow today has to be refinanced in the future? Again, you are fucking over future generations because you don't want any pain. You want them to have it all. For 50 fiscal years+ they have not lowered the national debt. Not once. The only way to stop increasing the debt is to stop spending more than you bring in. Period.

That is pure nonsense. There are trillions sitting on the sideline with consumers and businesses right now because they don't know if the over spending idiots in DC will ever stop, they cannot tell where tax rates are going, the uncertainty is creating the cash hoards.

Show us an example of government spending cuts... real data... real cuts... that led to more debt.

i guess you have not noticed how well austerity is working in europe

unemployment is acceptable when you are not one of the unemployed

we can raise taxes and cut spending when the recovery is well under way

of course we could cut military spending right now...although i am not sure that would be a good idea either

 

[Bonestorm]

Tell us genius... what happens when the money you borrow today has to be refinanced in the future? Again, you are fucking over future generations because you don't want any pain. You want them to have it all. For 50 fiscal years+ they have not lowered the national debt. Not once. The only way to stop increasing the debt is to stop spending more than you bring in. Period.

Maybe you just don't understand what negative real interests rate mean. Also, too, I don't care about short-term debt. Not one whit. In the short term, I care about economic growth.

That is pure nonsense. There are trillions sitting on the sideline with consumers and businesses right now because they don't know if the over spending idiots in DC will ever stop, they cannot tell where tax rates are going, the uncertainty is creating the cash hoards.

You conflate uncertainty about the economy with uncertainty about debt. Money is sitting idle with businesses (not consumers) because of uncertainty about the economy and soft aggregate demand. Government spending and taxation has little to do with it.

Show us an example of government spending cuts... real data... real cuts... that led to more debt.

Look at Europe.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Relax with the melodramatics, comrade. You're barking about essentials that everyone can agree on, though I would be very open to the eventual turnover of all these things to the Private Sector.

What I'm talking about is carving the fat, and I'm certain you already know that.

You mean like subsidies for the rich? Bloated Military?

 

[Granule]

You mean like subsidies for the rich? Bloated Military?

I mean creating a business friendly environment, and no, it looks like the military could use some trimming, as well.

 

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i guess you have not noticed how well austerity is working in europe

Again... show us the year over year spending of the countries that you are referring to.

unemployment is acceptable when you are not one of the unemployed

Ok... tell us... what has massive deficit spending done for unemployment these last few years?

we can raise taxes and cut spending when the recovery is well under way

Again, that is very easy to say... but when is the last time our idiots in DC (in either party) paid down the national debt?

of course we could cut military spending right now...although i am not sure that would be a good idea either

A good place to start. We could do it now... there is an over abundance of administration within defense, not to mention foreign bases that have outlived their usefulness.

 

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Maybe you just don't understand what negative real interests rate mean. Also, too, I don't care about short-term debt. Not one whit. In the short term, I care about economic growth.

Again dimwit... WHAT happens in 10/20/30 years when that debt comes due? oh yeah, you expect future generations to either pay it back or refinance it. So very kind of you.

Like I stated, you don't want any of the pain to hit you, you want to push it all into the future, that is why you don't care one whit about debt.

You conflate uncertainty about the economy with uncertainty about debt. Money is sitting idle with businesses (not consumers) because of uncertainty about the economy and soft aggregate demand. Government spending and taxation has little to do with it.

this just goes to show that you, like your master Obama, have no understanding of economics or the business world.

Look at Europe.

again dimwit, show us the data. Show us the year over year spending of the countries you are referring to.

 

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Again dimwit... WHAT happens in 10/20/30 years when that debt comes due? oh yeah, you expect future generations to either pay it back or refinance it. So very kind of you.

Like I stated, you don't want any of the pain to hit you, you want to push it all into the future, that is why you don't care one whit about debt.

I don't care about the debt because it isn't actually a problem presently. You know what is a problem presently? Persistently high unemployment. Also, too, the great thing about getting the economy towards full employment is that it helps take care of the debt problem by increasing growth and revenues. As a bonus, it avoids unnecessary human suffering.

this just goes to show that you, like your master Obama, have no understanding of economics or the business world.

Pulling rank again? That's hilarious.

again dimwit, show us the data. Show us the year over year spending of the countries you are referring to.

I've done that before. Not doing it again.

 

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I don't care about the debt because it isn't actually a problem presently. You know what is a problem presently? Persistently high unemployment. Also, too, the great thing about getting the economy towards full employment is that it helps take care of the debt problem by increasing growth and revenues. As a bonus, it avoids unnecessary human suffering.

LMAO... that is what you fail to comprehend. Debt IS the problem. It is a great big old anchor on the economy. What has your massive deficit spending done for unemployment? LITTLE... this is the worst economic recovery we have had, despite the idiots outspending revenue by a trillion+ each of the past four years.

Pulling rank again? That's hilarious.

Nope, stating the obvious.

I've done that before. Not doing it again.

no you haven't. You run from it every single time.

 

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LMAO... that is what you fail to comprehend. Debt IS the problem. It is a great big old anchor on the economy. What has your massive deficit spending done for unemployment? LITTLE... this is the worst economic recovery we have had, despite the idiots outspending revenue by a trillion+ each of the past four years.



Nope, stating the obvious.



no you haven't. You run from it every single time.

Nope, it's not that he doesn't understand it, it's that he disagrees with you. You know who else disagrees that short term debt is our problem right now? Paul fucking Krugman. Joseph Stiglitz. And a long list of other genius-level economists, nobel-prize winners, and ivy league professors. That's just a fact, no matter how much you scream, yell, and call names, the idea that you know better than all those guys? Nobody believes that. I don't. Nothing will change that.

And yes he has presented that data, it was in a long thread. You called him a dumbass. You didn't like the data. You went 5,000 round robins on some bs twist you put on it. I remember it.

 

[Bonestorm]

LMAO... that is what you fail to comprehend. Debt IS the problem. It is a great big old anchor on the economy. What has your massive deficit spending done for unemployment? LITTLE... this is the worst economic recovery we have had, despite the idiots outspending revenue by a trillion+ each of the past four years.

The idea that people and corporation are not earning money now that they could otherwise be earning because the government has too much debt and might e required to possibly tax their future earnings at some non-specific point in the future is just stupid. And that's what you're arguing.

Nope, stating the obvious.

Ooooh, I love it when the condescending douchebag in you surfaces. Tell me again about insurance underwriting.

no you haven't. You run from it every single time.

Your memory isn't very good.

 

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Nope, it's not that he doesn't understand it, it's that he disagrees with you. You know who else disagrees that short term debt is our problem right now? Paul fucking Krugman. Joseph Stiglitz. And a long list of other genius-level economists, nobel-prize winners, and ivy league professors. That's just a fact, no matter how much you scream, yell, and call names, the idea that you know better than all those guys? Nobody believes that. I don't. Nothing will change that.

No one is screaming or yelling dearest little Darla. Krugman and Stiglitz have warped their economic views with their partisan bullshit. They haven't met government spending they don't like. When was the last time in a good economy you saw either of them champion debt reduction and spending cuts? you see, they continually conveniently forget about the second half of Keynesian economics because it doesn't support their political beliefs in big government.

They also pretend that spending, such as we saw with the stimulus bill from Obama can be done on just about anything and that it will work. That is 100% incorrect. No matter how much YOU yell and scream and pretend to know what you are talking about.

And yes he has presented that data, it was in a long thread. You called him a dumbass. You didn't like the data. You went 5,000 round robins on some bs twist you put on it. I remember it.

By all means, link us up to that thread. He is a dumbass, that is why he won't link it up. He knows they haven't cut spending.

 

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"Krugman and Stiglitz have warped their economic views with their partisan bullshit."

Not like you. LOL You are so hilarious.

 

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By all means, link us up to that thread. He is a dumbass, that is why he won't link it up. He knows they haven't cut spending.

You know which thread it's on (I suspect), you just want him to go find it. I'm certainly not fetching it for you, I can tell you that. I don't do deliveries! A woman like me can send out for it SF.

 

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The idea that people and corporation are not earning money now that they could otherwise be earning because the government has too much debt and might e required to possibly tax their future earnings at some non-specific point in the future is just stupid. And that's what you're arguing.

No, again you display your lack of comprehension on how the economy works and how businesses view the future.

Tell us Dung... what is the tax rate going to look like for corporations and individuals in 2013? Start there.

Ooooh, I love it when the condescending douchebag in you surfaces. Tell me again about insurance underwriting.

Again, get your panties out of a bunch... just stating the obvious. You have no idea what you are talking about on economics. You simply parrot what your masters tell you to.

What about insurance underwriting?

Your memory isn't very good.

My memory is fine, I am waiting for you to provide a link, surely you can link us to the thread or to the data directly? It is just one link... you seem to believe it is there... prove it.

 

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"how businesses view the future. "

What do you mean by businesses? A business is an entity, it can't view anything. Are you talking about individual business owners or boards? Are business owners monolithic?

 

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"Krugman and Stiglitz have warped their economic views with their partisan bullshit."

Not like you. LOL You are so hilarious.

By all means Darla, explain how my economic statements are skewed. Can you? Oh thats right, you cannot.

As I have stated many times, Keynesian and Supply side both work if implemented properly. Both are failures if not done correctly. The Reps forget the spending cuts that go with tax cuts. The Dems forget that Keynesian theory states you take expenditures from the future and move them to today. They both have the same problem... cutting spending. They never do it. That is why the tax cuts only worked short term as stimulus and then began hurting the deficit. That is why it doesn't work to take 'stimulus' money today and give it to states to pay to keep the status quo. You are simply pushing the problem into the future.

That is why Europe is stuck in a massive hole right now. They used the Dung method of spend spend spend and hope it gets us out of our debt problems and now it is to the point where the bubble has reached maximum capacity and is about to blow. They have to devalue the Euro to near parity with the dollar if they want any hope of coming out of this in one piece. But the Dems and Reps have maintained a weak dollar policy for over a decade. They are not going to let Europe devalue without a fight.

 

[Bonestorm]

Last word.

 

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Last word.

LMAO... run away now... go parrot your next talking point.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Relax with the melodramatics, comrade. You're barking about essentials that everyone can agree on, though I would be very open to the eventual turnover of all these things to the Private Sector.

What I'm talking about is carving the fat, and I'm certain you already know that.

I think the Mormon Church should no longer have tax exempt status., that should save a few million.

 

[Bonestorm]

LMAO... run away now... go parrot your next talking point.

Lastword.