HealtCare fundamentally and perminantly changed?

Jarod

Jarod

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So can we all admit that the health care system in our nation was terrable before the Health Care Bill was passed?

If so, can we also admit that the Republicans had years and years to come up with and pass an alternative proposal? Several times they had enough votes to do something.

Finally, like it or not, a non-supermajority Congress, and President rammed something through after years and years of living with a broken system. We will never go back to the way things were, just aint going to happen. The current and impending medical system may be changed in the future, there may be slow and incramental change or there may be rapid change, but we will not go back.

I belive the bill passed last year is better that what we had, you may belive differently, but at least the stay-pat lobby has been busted and forward is the way!
 
Jarod said:
So can we all admit that the health care system in our nation was terrable before the Health Care Bill was passed?

If so, can we also admit that the Republicans had years and years to come up with and pass an alternative proposal? Several times they had enough votes to do something.

Finally, like it or not, a non-supermajority Congress, and President rammed something through after years and years of living with a broken system. We will never go back to the way things were, just aint going to happen. The current and impending medical system may be changed in the future, there may be slow and incramental change or there may be rapid change, but we will not go back.

I belive the bill passed last year is better that what we had, you may belive differently, but at least the stay-pat lobby has been busted and forward is the way!
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That's far to much of a generality and as is true of all such generalities it's untrue when you boil down to specifics.

The American health care system provides the best level of technology and skilled care in the world. That's not where our system breaks down. We lead the world in that respect.

Where our health care system breaks down is in access and cost and it has become a viscious circle that access in our system costs to much for many to afford so they wait till a preventative or chronic problem becomes an acute problem. This drives up costs and drives down outcomes. This in turn is aggravated by a system which has no set standard for financing health care and which also has no feedback mechanism to help health care payers determine which modalities work and are worth paying for and those which do not and are not worth paying for. This also has a spiraling affect that increases cost and lowers outcomes.

Simply put, our system has become so expensive and so bloated with corporate bureaucracy that it interefers with peoples access to primary and preventive care. As anyone who is informed on this topic will tell you that regular and affordable access to primary and preventive care are the biggest factors affecting both costs and outcome or, as Poor Richard would have said "On ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.".

This is where our system is broke and needs fixed.
 
:lol:

If Obamacare is\was so great, why did Obama and the demorats wait till 2014 before its even implemented???
 
Superfreak said:
Bullshit. Almost 90% of the nation was covered prior to Obama care.
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That's bullshit. If you don't recognize the fact that around 30% of the population has little to no access to primary/preventative care and that often their only access is only to urgent and emergency care and that about another 30 to 40% more are underinsured which disincentivises them from using primary/preventative care then you simply do not understand the nature of this problem.
 
actually, h/c costs have not risen solely because of corporate bureaucracy....think government bureaucracy as well and now you want to just create a larger government bureaucracy instead of streamlining what we already have in place.
 
Superfreak said:
Bullshit. Almost 90% of the nation was covered prior to Obama care.
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IF that is true, I doubt it, but if, you are counting in all the Senior Citizens of which 100% are covered and all of the Children of which I belive every state has a program that covers them, you are also considering all of those covered by Medicaid. Of the working class non-disabled between 18 and 65 what percentage are uninsured? Of those insured what percent are insured by a government program?
 
I know I was uninsured until the provisions of the Health Care bill made me elegable.
 
Yurt said:
actually, h/c costs have not risen solely because of corporate bureaucracy....think government bureaucracy as well and now you want to just create a larger government bureaucracy instead of streamlining what we already have in place.
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You are right but corporate bureaucracy is a significant contributor to rising costs so how would you stream line what we have now? I mean this is a very important point. Now most people who know corporate bureuacracy know isn't quite as bad as government bureaucracy except that there are literally thousands of coroprations involved in health care management and finace and they all have their own bureacracies that, when added together, create a hellish administrative nightmare that makes the Federal burueacracy look like a simple well oiled machine by comparison. So you've hit upon a very important point as that's one of the key reforms that is needed. How would you streamline the existing system?
 
Jarod said:
IF that is true, I doubt it, but if, you are counting in all the Senior Citizens of which 100% are covered and all of the Children of which I belive every state has a program that covers them, you are also considering all of those covered by Medicaid. Of the working class non-disabled between 18 and 65 what percentage are uninsured? Of those insured what percent are insured by a government program?
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Well SF is right if by "coverage" you're talking about emergency or urgent care but that's a big part of what is driving costs up. Lack of access to preventative and primary care force far to many people to wait until an easily treated problem because an urgent or emergency situation that is very costly to treat. If SF is trying to say that 90% are covered for preventative and primary care, he simply doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
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