Health Care vs. Health Insurance

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Health care is what your doctor does; Health insurance is an administrative function by which your doctor is reimbursed for the treatment they provide you, after they provide it. All Medicare-for-All does is consolidate that administration under one entity that has the added benefit of using its leverage to negotiate for cheaper fees and costs.

Medicare-for-All doesn't eliminate health care; it eliminates provider networks, so you can go see whatever doctor you want, not just those limited to within your provider network because of your insurance company.

Medicare-for-All doesn't eliminate health care; it eliminates private insurance companies that don't serve a role in your health care presently, and never will. No health insurance company takes your temperature, checks your prostate, does a mammogram. No health insurance company removes an appendix, prescribes a drug, or does a blood test. All a health insurance company does is reimburse providers for all those services, while keeping as much as 20% of every dollar you pay in premiums for themselves.

The choice that the Republicans on stage last night were talking about wasn't the choice of doctor, it was the choice of administrator. Single payer provides true choice and freedom; choice of what doctor you want to go to, and freedom from provider networks and drug companies.

You don't have freedom or choice in our current system. You cannot go to whatever doctor you want and not pay exorbitant out-of-network fees in our current system. You might think your current doctor is great, but because private insurance stifles choice and freedom, you don't have the freedom to explore other provider options to compare services. Think of it this way; when you shop for a car, you wouldn't go to just one dealership would you? So why would you not want the freedom of choice to explore different health care options, to compare and contrast with what you currently have? Wouldn't that be taking personal responsibility for your health?
 
Health care is what your doctor does; Health insurance is an administrative function by which your doctor is reimbursed for the treatment they provide you, after they provide it. All Medicare-for-All does is consolidate that administration under one entity that has the added benefit of using its leverage to negotiate for cheaper fees and costs.

Medicare-for-All doesn't eliminate health care; it eliminates provider networks, so you can go see whatever doctor you want, not just those limited to within your provider network because of your insurance company.

Medicare-for-All doesn't eliminate health care; it eliminates private insurance companies that don't serve a role in your health care presently, and never will. No health insurance company takes your temperature, checks your prostate, does a mammogram. No health insurance company removes an appendix, prescribes a drug, or does a blood test. All a health insurance company does is reimburse providers for all those services, while keeping as much as 20% of every dollar you pay in premiums for themselves.

The choice that the Republicans on stage last night were talking about wasn't the choice of doctor, it was the choice of administrator. Single payer provides true choice and freedom; choice of what doctor you want to go to, and freedom from provider networks and drug companies.

You don't have freedom or choice in our current system. You cannot go to whatever doctor you want and not pay exorbitant out-of-network fees in our current system. You might think your current doctor is great, but because private insurance stifles choice and freedom, you don't have the freedom to explore other provider options to compare services. Think of it this way; when you shop for a car, you wouldn't go to just one dealership would you? So why would you not want the freedom of choice to explore different health care options, to compare and contrast with what you currently have? Wouldn't that be taking personal responsibility for your health?

Stop begging for someone else to provide you something for nothing.
 
Health care is what your doctor does; Health insurance is an administrative function by which your doctor is reimbursed for the treatment they provide you, after they provide it. All Medicare-for-All does is consolidate that administration under one entity that has the added benefit of using its leverage to negotiate for cheaper fees and costs.

Medicare-for-All doesn't eliminate health care; it eliminates provider networks, so you can go see whatever doctor you want, not just those limited to within your provider network because of your insurance company.

Medicare-for-All doesn't eliminate health care; it eliminates private insurance companies that don't serve a role in your health care presently, and never will. No health insurance company takes your temperature, checks your prostate, does a mammogram. No health insurance company removes an appendix, prescribes a drug, or does a blood test. All a health insurance company does is reimburse providers for all those services, while keeping as much as 20% of every dollar you pay in premiums for themselves.

The choice that the Republicans on stage last night were talking about wasn't the choice of doctor, it was the choice of administrator. Single payer provides true choice and freedom; choice of what doctor you want to go to, and freedom from provider networks and drug companies.

You don't have freedom or choice in our current system. You cannot go to whatever doctor you want and not pay exorbitant out-of-network fees in our current system. You might think your current doctor is great, but because private insurance stifles choice and freedom, you don't have the freedom to explore other provider options to compare services. Think of it this way; when you shop for a car, you wouldn't go to just one dealership would you? So why would you not want the freedom of choice to explore different health care options, to compare and contrast with what you currently have? Wouldn't that be taking personal responsibility for your health?

Universal healthcare is cheaper, much cheaper. It also takes the cost out of our businesses. That should make them more competitive and more profitable. It eliminates bankruptcies which have a medical component. That is the vast majority.
We could eliminate Veteran care since they could go to any doctor that was convenient. We would eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. All people would be treated the same. I suppose the wealthy would have super plush hospitals for themselves. When you are rich, healthcare is couch change.
Medicare sends you emails telling you what preventative care you can access as you age up. They are trying to keep you healthy. Not very American is it? Maybe everyone will get that.
 
LOL thanks captain obvious for your glorious OP
Just shows how low IQ this dumbass is that he thinks people don't know this grade school knowledge.
 
Universal healthcare is cheaper, much cheaper. It also takes the cost out of our businesses. That should make them more competitive and more profitable. It eliminates bankruptcies which have a medical component. That is the vast majority.
We could eliminate Veteran care since they could go to any doctor that was convenient. We would eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. All people would be treated the same. I suppose the wealthy would have super plush hospitals for themselves. When you are rich, healthcare is couch change.
Medicare sends you emails telling you what preventative care you can access as you age up. They are trying to keep you healthy. Not very American is it? Maybe everyone will get that.

Trading out-of-pocket expenses like premiums, deductibles, copays, coinsurance, and drug costs for a simple payroll tax with no cap will end up saving most families thousands of dollars a year in health care costs.
 
LOL thanks captain obvious for your glorious OP
Just shows how low IQ this dumbass is that he thinks people don't know this grade school knowledge.

Most people don't know what a health insurance company is, what they do, and how any of it relates to your health care.

Last night, Sanders and Warren didn't get a chance to go that deep...but I think they will in future debates once the Republicans masquerading as Democrats drop out of the race.
 
Providers contract with Medicare just as they do with ins cos. And not all providers do.
And if you think Medicare gets better rates due to volumn, you do not understand how it works and would be wrong under your own premise.
And then there is the fraud which they do little to stop.
 
Providers contract with Medicare just as they do with ins cos. And not all providers do.

Right, and why is that? Because providers and insurers are about making money, not providing health care. In a single payer system, all providers would contract with Medicare.


And if you think Medicare gets better rates due to volumn, you do not understand how it works and would be wrong under your own premise.

I never said it did! But here's how you solve the low reimbursement rate "problem": YOU FUND THE PROGRAM WITH HIGHER TAXES SO IT CAN PAY OUT MORE, GENIUS.

Wow. How fuckin' dumb are you?


And then there is the fraud which they do little to stop.

Another bullshit nonsense argument with no backing whatsoever. Medicare "fraud" amounts to less than 10% of Medicare's total budget. And when you lump in Medicaid and the VA, that "fraud" amounts to less than 5%. And what is this "fraud"? Most of it is because providers need to make up the gap of what they don't get for treating the 60,000,000 uninsured or under-insured patients.

Furthermore, if you want to stop fraud you have to fund the regulators and oversight sufficiently to do that. Now, who are the people who want to cut government so much that it can't conduct proper oversight? Oh right, YOU.

So how is your point not masturbation? You screech about a problem of which you are the primary cause.

So maybe the solution to better oversight of Medicare, is to remove your presence from government.
 
Most people don't know what a health insurance company is, what they do, and how any of it relates to your health care.

Last night, Sanders and Warren didn't get a chance to go that deep...but I think they will in future debates once the Republicans masquerading as Democrats drop out of the race.

LOL You must be hanging around some dumb ass motherfuckers if you think most people don't know... LOL Damn, I gave you too much credit. LOL you is a dumb motherfucker
PS sorry if I culturally appropriated your favorite african american phrase
 
LOL You must be hanging around some dumb ass motherfuckers if you think most people don't know... LOL Damn, I gave you too much credit. LOL you is a dumb motherfucker
PS sorry if I culturally appropriated your favorite african american phrase

If you ask the average person what health insurance is, they won't be able to tell you. That's why those lies the Republicans on stage were saying last night stick; they talk about choice but the choice they are describing isn't what doctor you want, it's who pays for your care after your doctor provides it.

Most people think health insurance and health care are the same thing because Republicans conflate the two, just as they did on stage last night.

That's why this debate is so frustrating.
 
Trading out-of-pocket expenses like premiums, deductibles, copays, coinsurance, and drug costs for a simple payroll tax with no cap will end up saving most families thousands of dollars a year in health care costs.

By greatly diminishing their access to healthcare you dishonest dimwit. Rationing of care is inevitable under your proposed scheme. And for fucks sake, quit calling it Medicare for all, LIAR!
 
Right, and why is that? Because providers and insurers are about making money, not providing health care. In a single payer system, all providers would contract with Medicare.




I never said it did! But here's how you solve the low reimbursement rate "problem": YOU FUND THE PROGRAM WITH HIGHER TAXES SO IT CAN PAY OUT MORE, GENIUS.

Wow. How fuckin' dumb are you?




Another bullshit nonsense argument with no backing whatsoever. Medicare "fraud" amounts to less than 10% of Medicare's total budget. And when you lump in Medicaid and the VA, that "fraud" amounts to less than 5%. And what is this "fraud"? Most of it is because providers need to make up the gap of what they don't get for treating the 60,000,000 uninsured or under-insured patients.

Furthermore, if you want to stop fraud you have to fund the regulators and oversight sufficiently to do that. Now, who are the people who want to cut government so much that it can't conduct proper oversight? Oh right, YOU.

So how is your point not masturbation? You screech about a problem of which you are the primary cause.

So maybe the solution to better oversight of Medicare, is to remove your presence from government.

I have to laugh at that fraud thing. The right wing placed a crook in the Senate who oversaw the biggest Medicare fraud in history.

Rick Scott 'oversaw the largest Medicare fraud' in U.S. history, Florida Democratic Party says
https://www.politifact.com/florida/...cott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/
 
Right, and why is that? Because providers and insurers are about making money, not providing health care. In a single payer system, all providers would contract with Medicare.
And if they chose not to ?


I never said it did!

Yes, you did.

But here's how you solve the low reimbursement rate "problem": YOU FUND THE PROGRAM WITH HIGHER TAXES SO IT CAN PAY OUT MORE, GENIUS.

So now consumers are paying more than ever. This is good ?

Wow. How fuckin' dumb are you?
Considerably less than you



Another bullshit nonsense argument with no backing whatsoever. Medicare "fraud" amounts to less than 10% of Medicare's total budget. And when you lump in Medicaid and the VA, that "fraud" amounts to less than 5%. And what is this "fraud"? Most of it is because providers need to make up the gap of what they don't get for treating the 60,000,000 uninsured or under-insured patients.

Furthermore, if you want to stop fraud you have to fund the regulators and oversight sufficiently to do that. Now, who are the people who want to cut government so much that it can't conduct proper oversight? Oh right, YOU.

So how is your point not masturbation? You screech about a problem of which you are the primary cause.

So maybe the solution to better oversight of Medicare, is to remove your presence from government.

Yes they spend little effort on fraud so you want to punch that up further raising the cost.
Wow. This is just getting more and more of an election loser by the minute.
Run with it kid !
 
If you ask the average person what health insurance is, they won't be able to tell you. That's why those lies the Republicans on stage were saying last night stick; they talk about choice but the choice they are describing isn't what doctor you want, it's who pays for your care after your doctor provides it.

Most people think health insurance and health care are the same thing because Republicans conflate the two, just as they did on stage last night.

That's why this debate is so frustrating.

LOL Obamacare was sold as healthcare when all it was was a handout to the insurance industry. You twist reality, bruh, Not surprising with that tiny cranial cavity
 
Providers contract with Medicare just as they do with ins cos. And not all providers do.
And if you think Medicare gets better rates due to volumn, you do not understand how it works and would be wrong under your own premise.
And then there is the fraud which they do little to stop.

All huge programs have people who figure out how to steal from it. There was a Florida insurance company that had the biggest Medicare fraud case of all time.
They were fined 1,7 billion bucks. It upset the Florida old people so much that they made the president of the company, Rick Scott, governor and now senator.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/fl-op-col-rick-scott-medicare-fraud-20181002-story.html
 
LOL Obamacare was sold as healthcare when all it was was a handout to the insurance industry. You twist reality, bruh, Not surprising with that tiny cranial cavity

It was healthcare for millions. Yes,Obama had to avoid taking on health insurance companies and big PHARM to get his foot in the door. He expanded coverage. You really are keeping your string of being wrong going on. It has been years now,
 
LOL Obamacare was sold as healthcare when all it was was a handout to the insurance industry. You twist reality, bruh, Not surprising with that tiny cranial cavity

It was healthcare for millions. Yes, Obama had to avoid taking on health insurance companies and big PHARM to get his foot in the door. He expanded coverage. You really are keeping your string of being wrong going on. It has been14 years now,
 
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