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Healthcare Decision Thursday: Prediction Thread
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Jeez, DH - you've really bought into it. The CBO did double their projection, btw. And their caveat wasn't "standard"...this is a unique law, because there are so many factors involved. The variables on health costs alone are absurd, as well as the potential affect this could have on hiring & firing.
How anyone could say it's NOT a crapshoot is somewhat beyond me.
And, I've gotta say, it would be nice to see you show just a teensy bit of concern that the admin paid off big pharma with a sweet deal on import restrictions. The acceptance of shite like that w/ the rationale that it's "gov't as usual" is amazing to me. Obamacare is the same as every other big piece of legislation we've seen over the past decade+ or so. Paid for & written by corporations, for their benefit.
That's fact. If you don't see it, your head is buried in the sand.
How anyone could say it's NOT a crapshoot is somewhat beyond me.
And, I've gotta say, it would be nice to see you show just a teensy bit of concern that the admin paid off big pharma with a sweet deal on import restrictions. The acceptance of shite like that w/ the rationale that it's "gov't as usual" is amazing to me. Obamacare is the same as every other big piece of legislation we've seen over the past decade+ or so. Paid for & written by corporations, for their benefit.
That's fact. If you don't see it, your head is buried in the sand.
If you don't know what the revenue provisions of the law are at this point I'm not going to spend my time educating you.
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Darla
The expansion of Medicaid was a great part of it, but unfortunately I think it's too easy to defund. The pre-existing condition thing is also huge, in fact I was just reading TPM and I saw that the R's have as they put it "caved to the base" and stopped saying they will repeal and replace, they will just repeal. And I wonder, now who is it who is calling their congressperson demanding their insurance company be permitted to deny them treatment? And then people say I look down on righties. Well, they're dumb fucks. (excuse me Leaning!)
Some of it is just unbelievable really. I guess spite is a very strong emotion. Maybe the strongest. I don't know.
No, the CBO did not double their projection. That's a Republican talking point that you've swallowed whole cloth. It's not true. The fact that you uncritically accepted that nonsense as fact is quite telling.
How someone can claim it is a crapshoot is quite beyond me. The CBO isn't just throwing some numbers out there on a whim as you are suggesting.
That's just nonsense. I explained to you why I don't have a problem with the one provision in a several thousand page law that you seem to have an objection to. Giving up nothing (not changing the law) is a small price to pay (none at all really) to get backers for a law that will prevent unnecessary suffering for tens of millions of people. Your quest for purity is a nice thought and all, but I'm comfortable with my pragmatism.
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The Almighty
Final prediction: SCOTUS rejects Obama care. Obama blames Bush
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SCOTUS just upheld
I "seem to have objection to?" Let me tell ya - seeing the story on the email that got leaked to pharma about imports was the final Obama straw for me. It was a very clear "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" moment. This dude promised change, but the only change that I've personally seen is that corporations have even more influence on legislation & his admin than the previous one - which seems impossible, but it's true.
This was just one email that they leaked. Just one. The entire friggin' bill was written by industry, for industry. Personally, I've had it. In a big, big way. I'm not on a "quest for purity"; I'm on a runaway train that has completely lost faith in the ability of our gov't to do anything that aligns with its stated purpose, which is to be by & for the people. Nader was right; there is very little difference between the 2 parties anymore.
And it's a Democratic talking point that the CBO projection-revision is a Republican talking point.
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Darla
CNN reported it was struck down. I went to twitter and there are conflicting reports. NY Times has not said one way or the other yet. I am confused.
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Darla
I understand how you feel. I don't really agree with your conclusion, but I have similar feelings sometimes.
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The Almighty
They struck it down as an extension of the commerce clause/penalty, upheld it as a tax by Congress
Yeah, he didn't change anything. Except to restrict health insurance profits through the 80-20 rule, to end the most pernicious of health insurance industry practices, to expand access to Medicaid, to provide for access to affordable insurance for tens of millions of low and moderate income people and the rest.
Get over yourself, Oncelor. Pretending that the Affordable Care Act was not a huge change for the benefit of the American people because the restriction on re-importation of drugs was left alone is hilarious.
You crack me up. You have one email about one extraordinarily minor piece of a bill that's thousands of pages long and you conclude that "the entire friggin bill was written by industry, for industry." It's a joke. The bill turns health insurance companies into regulated utilities. I'm quite certain that wasn't the indutry's preference.
No, it isn't, unless "Democratic talking point" is a euphemism for "the truth."
CNN got it wrong. The act is upheld.
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Obama raised taxes! 
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Darla
OMG righty hearts are breaking all across the land. I am not even a fan of this mandate but I can't help getting buzzed over the lack of joy in whoville tonight!
Your naivite is staggering.
It's the equivalent of Wolfowicz saying that they decided on WMD's as the "selling point" for the Iraq War.
It's a gov't admission that they favor industry when putting legislation together.
To downplay it like that, to marginalize it w/ such derision - frankly, it just bums me out. It's all happening right before our eyes, and they just get a pass on it. For the geeks in the audience, it reminds me of Portman's line in the Star Wars series..."so this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause."
Melodramatic, I know, but this conversation has really creeped me out.
My naivete? I was not surprise in the least by it. You appear to be the one that has had an awakening.
Yeah, but not as a fine...
Basically when you buy insurance under this law you are paying a tax that somebody said you would never have to pay, unless you made more than $250,000 per year.