Heirs to Josef Stalin: the Republican Party

[dukkha]

This is not a legitimate use of the courts.

How do I know?

TrumpCo. has been laughed out of every court across the land 50plus times in four weeks. That has to be a world record.

More importantly, you did not just limit your coup d'tat to the courts. Your Orange God openly harassed partisan governors and partisan state legislators to overturn the will of the voters.

You and Trump think exactly like Josef Stalin, with respect to your desire to invalidate an election that was convincingly won by your opponent.

denial of hearing is legit use of the courts.

Trump can petition. the courts can decide to hear or not. most times they didn't, when they did he lost
How in great Buddha's name is this "fascist"

"harrassing" is a ridiculous loaded word -Trump has free speech rights. he didn't threaten or use any compulsion

 

[Cypress]

denial of hearing is legit use of the courts.

Trump can petition. the courts can decide to hear or not. most times they didn't, when they did he lost
How in great Buddha's name is this "fascist"

"harrassing" is a ridiculous loaded word -Trump has free speech rights. he didn't threaten or use any compulsion

it wasn't just the courts.

TrumpCo filed numerous frivolous lawsuits which were laughed out of every court in the land. 50plus times.

Not a legitimate use of the courts.

Trump Co. harrassed partisan governors and legislators to ignore the will of the voter.

Republicans on this forum and elsewhere have openly stated election results should be thrown out and martial law declared. Any re-vote has to be conducted under military supervision.

^^ That is exactly the mentality, exactly the way fascists and communists think.

 

[dukkha]

it wasn't just the courts.

TrumpCo filed numerous frivolous lawsuits which were laughed out of every court in the land. 50plus times.

Not a legitimate use of the courts.

Trump Co. harrassed partisan governors and legislators to ignore the will of the voter.

Republicans on this forum and elsewhere have openly stated election results should be thrown out and martial law declared. Any re-vote has to be conducted under military supervision.

^^ That is exactly the mentality, exactly the way fascists and communists think.

"frivolous" is in the eye of the beholder.
But even a "frivolous" suit is a legitimate use -it just gets tossed.
Gawd knows there are a ton of frivolous suits
Why are Trumps fascist and not others?

Trump can Tweet and state his case -denying him the right to free speech IS FASCIST
as you want , and like Social Platforms enforce (who only get away with it due to Section 230)

 

[BartenderElite]

horseshit. using the courts thru regular order is not dictatorial
biden way underperformed everywhere/all demographics (except white women) in key swing state key counties.

There is no way to over-melodramatize what Trump is doing now.

He has had his legit show through the courts. He's not going to concede this election. He's going to keep fighting it, and encouraging his supporters to never support Biden as a legit President.

I wish people wouldn't make excuses for this. It's a naked power grab. We're not having our normal, peaceful transition - mainly because of his ego - and there is really no telling what it will do to the country.

 

[Cypress]

"frivolous" is in the eye of the beholder.
But even a "frivolous" suit is a legitimate use -it just gets tossed.
Gawd knows there are a ton of frivolous suits
Why are Trumps fascist and not others?

Trump can Tweet and state his case -denying him the right to free speech IS FASCIST
as you want , and like Social Platforms enforce (who only get away with it due to Section 230)

I will accept your tacit admission that Republicans did not simply limit themselves to frivolous court proceedings.

They tried to harass partisan governors and state legislstors to ignore the will of the voters.

And some of them openly talked about declaring martial law and ignoring the election result.

 

[anatta]

I will accept your tacit admission that Republicans did not simply limit themselves to frivolous court proceedings.

They tried to harass partisan governors and state legislstors to ignore the will of the voters.

And some of them openly talked about declaring martial law and ignoring the election result.

Republican voters are not Republican officials
What's-her-face said she thought of "blowing up the White House"and there were many examples of leftists calling for the assassination of Trump.

Hillary went on a 3 year bender telling us why Trump was illegitimate

 

[anatta]

There is no way to over-melodramatize what Trump is doing now.

He has had his legit show through the courts. He's not going to concede this election. He's going to keep fighting it, and encouraging his supporters to never support Biden as a legit President.

I wish people wouldn't make excuses for this. It's a naked power grab. We're not having our normal, peaceful transition - mainly because of his ego - and there is really no telling what it will do to the country.

Hillary conceded then went on a 3 year rampage of why Trump is illegitimate.
There is nothing wrong wit the transition. it's peaceful

 

[anatta]

Krugman's column before it's published? Of course some Democrats said Trump was illegitimate. Hillary Clinton said so last year. "He [Trump] knows he's an illegitimate president," Clinton told CBS's "60 Minutes" on September 29, 2019.

it started much earlier than that. On January 16, 2017, when Trump had been in office less than a week, a senior House Democrat, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, conceded to CNN that Trump had been "legally elected," but argued that the Russian attempt to interfere in the 2016 campaign "makes his election illegitimate."

Then there was Rep. John Lewis. On January 13, 2017, a week before Trump took the oath of office, the late Democratic icon said of Trump, "I don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president." Lewis refused to attend Trump's inauguration, leading a number of other House Democrats -- close to 20 of them, including Nadler -- to boycott the inauguration as well, saying they wanted to "stand with" Lewis. Given Lewis's stature in the Democratic Party, and in the country as a whole, his comments sparked an extensive discussion on the question of Trump's legitimacy.

Among those taking part in that discussion was...Paul Krugman. "Let's ask whether Mr. Lewis was right to say what he said," Krugman wrote in the Times on January 16, 2017. "Is it OK, morally and politically, to declare the man about to move into the White House illegitimate? Yes, it is. In fact, it's an act of patriotism.”

So Democrats did, in fact, say that Trump was illegitimate. And Paul Krugman not only knew of such statements, he cheered them on at the time. And now Krugman writes, "Democrats never said Donald Trump was illegitimate." Oh, come on.

In Trump's first year in office, there was widespread debate about whether he was a legitimate president. On March 18, 2017, the Associated Press reported that a recent poll found that "a majority of young adults -- 57 percent -- see Trump's presidency as illegitimate."

The talk never went away. In May, 2019, at a campaign event in New Hampshire, a woman told candidate Joe Biden that Trump was "an illegitimate president, in my mind...he's illegitimate." Biden responded, "Look, folks, I absolutely agree." He jokingly asked if she would be his running mate.

In June, 2019, former President Jimmy Carter suggested that Trump owed his election to Russian interference. When his interviewer asked whether that meant Trump was an illegitimate president, Carter agreed.

So there it is: John Lewis. Jerrold Nadler. A group of Democratic lawmakers. Hillary Clinton. Jimmy Carter. And Joe Biden himself, the next Democratic president. How many Democrats have to call Trump illegitimate before Paul Krugman recognizes that they called Trump illegitimate?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-a-new-york-times-embarrassment

 

[BartenderElite]

Hillary conceded then went on a 3 year rampage of why Trump is illegitimate.
There is nothing wrong wit the transition. it's peaceful

The bolded is the most important part.

The "nothing wrong with the transition" is inexplicable.

 

[Cypress]

Republican voters are not Republican officials
What's-her-face said she thought of "blowing up the White House"and there were many examples of leftists calling for the assassination of Trump.

Hillary went on a 3 year bender telling us why Trump was illegitimate

Now that we have dispensed with your claim that the only thing Republicans were doing was filing frivilous lawsuits,

let's compile a list of people and entities which refuse to accept an election result and seek to invalidate the will of the voters:

Donald Trump
Vladimir Lenin
Josef Stalin
Adolph Hitler
Vladimir Putin
The Soviet Politburo
Augusto Pinochet
Akeksandr Lukashenko
The Chinese Communist Party

 

[Into the Night]

No shit. He's ACTING LIKE a typical dictator.

No, he isn't.

Thankfully, America has a strong institution of checks and balances that has kept him from being a real dictator.

Since you and other Democrats ignore those checks and balances and the Constitution as well, you really can't hide behind that Constitution when it's convenient for you.

 

[Into the Night]

Communists, fascists, Republicans have all engaged in attempts to invalidate the results of elections and thwart the will of the people.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

Joe Biden won this election convincingly and overwhelmingly.

No. Fake ballots don't count.

Your and Trump's attempt to overturn and invalidate an election

There was no valid election, thanks to the Democrats.

puts you squarely in a league with Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler, and the Bolsheviks.

Democrats.

Pro-democracy forces in this country - like the federal courts - have thwarted TrumpCo.'s attempted coup d'etat.

The United States is not and never was a democracy. It is Democrats attempting a coup.

If this election taught us anything, it is that a thin wall separates our democracy from fascism.

The United States is not a democracy and never was. If this coup succeeds, and Biden is installed as 'leader', you will find out what fascism really is.

 

[anatta]

Now that we have dispensed with your claim that the only thing Republicans were doing was filing frivilous lawsuits,

let's compile a list of people and entities which refuse to accept an election result and seek to invalidate the will of the voters:

Donald Trump
Vladimir Lenin
Josef Stalin
Adolph Hitler
Vladimir Putin
The Soviet Politburo
Augusto Pinochet
Akeksandr Lukashenko
The Chinese Communist Party

#1 the Big Case ( Texas et all vs.others) was dismissed for STANDING and was not dismissed with PREJUDICE
meaning it was not "frivolous" -or else it would be dismissed with prejudice

the rest is hackneyed partisan trash -again using the courts is not dictatorial

 

[Into the Night]

You have had more than enough time to present your evidence of massive vote fraud

Election fraud. It's election fraud. Yes. It happened. The evidence exists.

to judges across the land, and have been laughed out of court 50plus times.

Trump never filed 50 lawsuits. Random number. Argument from randU fallacy. Fake News.

False claims of massive vote fraud was always a thinly veiled attempt to justify a coup d'tat.

No. Election fraud has been used to justify a coup. You are describing Democrats.

It is exactly the kind of strategy and mentality Vladimir Lenin and Stalin used to invalidate the results of an election result they did not like.

Democrats are being described here. They are socialist. They want fascism by oligarchy.

 

[Into the Night]

This is not a legitimate use of the courts.

It is legitimate use of the courts.

How do I know?

You don't.

TrumpCo. has been laughed out of every court across the land 50plus times in four weeks. That has to be a world record.

Random number. Fake News. Trump never filed 50 lawsuits.

More importantly, you did not just limit your coup d'tat to the courts. Your Orange God openly harassed partisan governors and partisan state legislators to overturn the will of the voters.

Fake ballots are not voters. They are not the will of the voters.

You and Trump think exactly like Josef Stalin, with respect to your desire to invalidate an election that was convincingly won by your opponent.

Fake ballots don't count.

 

[Into the Night]

That's putting it succinctly.

And it is what the Democrats are doing.

 

[Into the Night]

it wasn't just the courts.

TrumpCo filed numerous frivolous lawsuits which were laughed out of every court in the land. 50plus times.

Fake News. Trump never filed 50 lawsuits.

Not a legitimate use of the courts.

Trump Co. harrassed partisan governors and legislators to ignore the will of the voter.

It is Democrats ignoring the will of the voter by committing election fraud.

Republicans on this forum and elsewhere have openly stated election results should be thrown out

The election has faulted, thanks to the Democrats.

and martial law declared.

No one is suggesting martial law except Democrats.

Any re-vote has to be conducted under military supervision.

No. It must be conducted openly and in a verifiable way. Observers must be allowed in and observe any aspect of the ballot counting process during the entire process. Elections must be carried out according to the laws set up by the legislatures of those States, not laws changed by the governor, or laws changed by the election offices, or laws changed by anyone else in a State government. The legislatures, and ONLY the legislatures have the authority to certify the election and choose the electors. This is the law. The election MUST be conducted according to the law.

^^ That is exactly the mentality, exactly the way fascists and communists think.

You are describing Democrats again.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Attempting to overturn an election and thwart the will of the voters is exactly the kind of thing communists and fascists do.

Like the democrats tried to do after the 2016 election?

 

[Into the Night]

There is no way to over-melodramatize what Trump is doing now.

That is exactly what you are doing.

He has had his legit show through the courts.

Not yet.

He's not going to concede this election.

No need.

He's going to keep fighting it,

He should.

and encouraging his supporters to never support Biden as a legit President.

I will not accept fake ballots. I will not accept a 'President' installed via a coup. This is an attempted coup by the Democrats via election fraud.

I wish people wouldn't make excuses for this.

You are making excuses for this.

It's a naked power grab.

That it is....by Democrats.

We're not having our normal, peaceful transition

No. We might very well sink into war...the first civil war that the United States as ever suffered. Democrats have forced the issue this far. Their lying, their propaganda, their election fraud, the oppressive rules, regulations, and taxes, their denial of the Constitution, etc. is something the American people are fed up with.

- mainly because of his ego -

No. It is because of yours and that of other Democrats.

and there is really no telling what it will do to the country.

It's already been done. Democrats have caused an election fault through their fraud. It is an attempted coup by the Democrats. It is inversion fallacy to try to blame this on Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

I will accept your tacit admission that Republicans did not simply limit themselves to frivolous court proceedings.

They tried to harass partisan governors and state legislstors to ignore the will of the voters.

And some of them openly talked about declaring martial law and ignoring the election result.

Fake ballots are not the will of the voters. There is no valid election result to ignore.