Here's how the Left tricks Americans into accepting socialism (04:30)

CASPER said:
It goes far deeper than that, hence why many are not savable by trying to employ logic, it is beyond their skill set.
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On paper, in theory, Socialism, Communism, Marixm all of ity sounds WONDERFUL.

But it soon fails in practice.

Always has.

Always will.

If the Government does not literally force people to do what the government wants them to do, all of the ism's fail.



A list of countries where Communism HAS been tried.
July 8, 2016


It's true when people online and in colleges and universities in the west say that "Communism has never been tried".

They are right of course, Communism, which is based on Marx's Communist manifesto, has never been tried.


Except* in Russia, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, Yemen, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia, Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Mozambique.


Other than those few times, Communism has NEVER been tried, and every time it was tried in any of those countries, it failed, miserably, and created an insane bloodthirsty dictatorship that tortured, gulaged, killed, stole from and staved its own people.

The gross number that is estimated for the totality of people who were murdered, starved or just died thanks to Communism being implemented in their country, is around 100 million people.

The most disastrously effected country by Communism was the People's Republic of China, where under Mao Zedong some 45 – 60 million people were starved to death and murdered.

In the USSR, under Lenin and later Stalin, at least 50 million people were starved and murdered.

In Cambodia, under Pol Pot, one quarter of the whole population (some 2 million people) was starved and murdered.

In other countries like in Cuba and North Korea, the Communist dictators mainly used their absolutist power to accumulate huge personal wealth, while the local population was reduced to starving.

But all of this history and facts won't deter people, mainly young impressionable people online and in western university campuses who've never been to a Communist country in their lives, to say that Communism has never been tried, and if it's tried just one more time it will definitely work this time.


Sources:


"The Black Book of Communism."

"How many did Communist regimes murder?", Rudolph Rummel

https://www.dispropaganda.com/singl...-the-Communism-has-never-been-tried-statement


*Except (for the 46 places where it HAS been tried)
 
Drummie123 said:
Here's how the Left tricks Americans into accepting socialism (04:30)
Feb 2, 2021



The Democrats know that if they try to sell us socialism directly, we aren't going to buy it. So what do they do instead?
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Here how teabaggers trick America into socialism.

"Corporate tax cuts pay for themselves".

"Corporate tax cuts help the middle class and small businesses".

"Corporate tax cuts will trickle down to help everyone".

"Corporate tax cuts let companies invest in America".

"Corporate tax cuts will result in a hiring boom".

"Corporate tax cuts are deficit neutral".

Teabaggers know if they try to sell us corporate socialism directly, Americans won't buy it, so they lie.

Every single corporate tax scheme teabaggers have passed resulted in deficits and debt.

Then claim "We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem", turns out the "spending problem" is corporate socialism.
 
Drummie123 said:
On paper, in theory, Socialism, Communism, Marixm all of ity sounds WONDERFUL.

But it soon fails in practice.

Always has.

Always will.

If the Government does not literally force people to do what the government wants them to do, all of the ism's fail.



A list of countries where Communism HAS been tried.
July 8, 2016


It's true when people online and in colleges and universities in the west say that "Communism has never been tried".

They are right of course, Communism, which is based on Marx's Communist manifesto, has never been tried.


Except* in Russia, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, Yemen, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia, Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Mozambique.


Other than those few times, Communism has NEVER been tried, and every time it was tried in any of those countries, it failed, miserably, and created an insane bloodthirsty dictatorship that tortured, gulaged, killed, stole from and staved its own people.

The gross number that is estimated for the totality of people who were murdered, starved or just died thanks to Communism being implemented in their country, is around 100 million people.

The most disastrously effected country by Communism was the People's Republic of China, where under Mao Zedong some 45 – 60 million people were starved to death and murdered.

In the USSR, under Lenin and later Stalin, at least 50 million people were starved and murdered.

In Cambodia, under Pol Pot, one quarter of the whole population (some 2 million people) was starved and murdered.

In other countries like in Cuba and North Korea, the Communist dictators mainly used their absolutist power to accumulate huge personal wealth, while the local population was reduced to starving.

But all of this history and facts won't deter people, mainly young impressionable people online and in western university campuses who've never been to a Communist country in their lives, to say that Communism has never been tried, and if it's tried just one more time it will definitely work this time.


Sources:


"The Black Book of Communism."

"How many did Communist regimes murder?", Rudolph Rummel

https://www.dispropaganda.com/singl...-the-Communism-has-never-been-tried-statement


*Except (for the 46 places where it HAS been tried)
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'On paper, in theory, Socialism, Communism, Marixm all of ity sounds WONDERFUL".

It sure does, Dotard and his cult thought so.

March 3 2018

U.S. President Donald Trump praised Chinese President Xi Jinping Saturday after the ruling Communist party announced it was eliminating the two-term limit for the presidency, paving the way for Xi to serve indefinitely.

“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida.
“And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” Trump said to cheers and applause from supporters.

Dotard, teabaggers and Q NUTS also like insurrections, just like communist dictators.
 
It must be odd to try to discuss politics in a Country where, as a result of McCarthyite brainwashing, 'socialism' means normal capitalism, as opposed to some weird manipulations by the ultra-rich.
 
Conservatives are like Pavlov's dog. Say socialism and they think 'bad' and then they can be easily manipulated. It is the weirdest thing as socialism is all around us, in life and in politics and in existence. Many elements of modern America could be labeled socialistic, medical care, social security, fair wages, clean environment, today Covid has made our social existence all too obvious. No one wants to allow themselves open to sickness. And thankfully our social structures are starting to function again under the so called democratic socialists. No time now but read the link below.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/05/13/socialism-a-short-primer/

And this too: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-socialism-made-america-great

"Moreover, if we give the matter a moment's thought, we can see that the 20th century morality tale of 'socialism vs. freedom' or 'communism vs. capitalism' is misleading. Capitalism is not a political system; it is a form of economic life, compatible in practice with right wing dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet), left-wing dictatorships (contemporary China), social-democratic monarchies (Sweden), and plutocratic republics (the United States), whether capitalist economies thrive best under conditions of freedom is perhaps more of an open question than we like to think." Tony Judt 'Ill fares the Land'

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7821831-ill-fares-the-land
 
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midcan5 said:
Conservatives are like Pavlov's dog. Say socialism and they think 'bad' and then they can be easily manipulated. It is the weirdest thing as socialism is all around us, in life and in politics and in existence. Many elements of modern America could be labeled socialistic, medical care, social security, fair wages, clean environment, today Covid has made our social existence all too obvious. No one wants to allow themselves open to sickness. And thankfully our social structures are starting to function again under the so called democratic socialists. No time now but read the link below.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/05/13/socialism-a-short-primer/

"Moreover, if we give the matter a moment's thought, we can see that the 20th century morality tale of 'socialism vs. freedom' or 'communism vs. capitalism' is misleading. Capitalism is not a political system; it is a form of economic life, compatible in practice with right wing dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet), left-wing dictatorships (contemporary China), social-democratic monarchies (Sweden), and plutocratic republics (the United States), whether capitalist economies thrive best under conditions of freedom is perhaps more of an open question than we like to think." Tony Judt 'Ill fares the Land'

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7821831-ill-fares-the-land
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In fact, a number of the characteristics they label 'socialism' were set up under Bismark as he created the Second Reich. Not exactly Karl Marx's main chum, that one! :)
 
no worries said:
'On paper, in theory, Socialism, Communism, Marixm all of ity sounds WONDERFUL".

It sure does, Dotard and his cult thought so.

March 3 2018

U.S. President Donald Trump praised Chinese President Xi Jinping Saturday after the ruling Communist party announced it was eliminating the two-term limit for the presidency, paving the way for Xi to serve indefinitely.

“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida.
“And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” Trump said to cheers and applause from supporters.

Dotard, teabaggers and Q NUTS also like insurrections, just like communist dictators.
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The people are no longer going to be distracted into a "rabbit hole" discussion of the intricacies of philosophy while the reality of Communism is being demonstrated before our eyes and increasingly gaining control of our lives every day.

Trump was against Socialism.

Biden loves Socialism.

What else is there to know?
 
midcan5 said:
Conservatives are like Pavlov's dog. Say socialism and they think 'bad' and then they can be easily manipulated. It is the weirdest thing as socialism is all around us, in life and in politics and in existence. Many elements of modern America could be labeled socialistic, medical care, social security, fair wages, clean environment, today Covid has made our social existence all too obvious. No one wants to allow themselves open to sickness. And thankfully our social structures are starting to function again under the so called democratic socialists. No time now but read the link below.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/05/13/socialism-a-short-primer/

And this too: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-socialism-made-america-great

"Moreover, if we give the matter a moment's thought, we can see that the 20th century morality tale of 'socialism vs. freedom' or 'communism vs. capitalism' is misleading. Capitalism is not a political system; it is a form of economic life, compatible in practice with right wing dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet), left-wing dictatorships (contemporary China), social-democratic monarchies (Sweden), and plutocratic republics (the United States), whether capitalist economies thrive best under conditions of freedom is perhaps more of an open question than we like to think." Tony Judt 'Ill fares the Land'

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7821831-ill-fares-the-land
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Two guys applied for a job driving trucks on mountain roads.

One guy bragged that he prided himself on how close to the edge of mountain roads he could drive without losing his nerve.

The other guy admitted to having had to buy more than one right side mirror to replace the ones he'd sheared off when hugging the side of the mountain roads on his old job.

"Mirrors" was hired.

Socialism - Bad

It creeps up on you and then BAM.

No one wants Socialism after it goes bad, (and it always goes bad) except the Party elites.

HOW SOCIALISM WIPED OUT VENEZUELA'S SPECTACULAR OIL WEALTH
https://reason.com/video/2021/02/01/how-socialism-wiped-out-venezuelas-spectacular-oil-wealth/


How Socialism Wiped Out Venezuela's Spectacular Oil Wealth
 
In 1944, to honor the Allied victory in Italy, legendary conductor Arturo Toscanini--a refugee from Fascism in his home country--decided to conduct a performance of Verdi's "Hymn of the Nations". "Hymn" is a composition that Verdi originally built around the national anthems of Britain, France, and Italy. The Internationale, the socialist anthem :)

 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
It must be odd to try to discuss politics in a Country where, as a result of McCarthyite brainwashing, 'socialism' means normal capitalism, as opposed to some weird manipulations by the ultra-rich.
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What successful model of Socialism would you point to that you imagine the USA emulating?
 
Transcript

00:00
A pandemic called capitalist corporate greed
00:03
[cheers]
00:04
People eagerly find fault with capitalism.
00:07
If capitalism works, if this is the best we got,
00:10
why does it seem to give such a raw deal?
00:14
A raw deal? Is that what we get?

5 Socialism Myths: Part 1

 
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