Dutch Uncle
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That is the basic delineation. Note that, throughout all history, the believers outnumber the materialists by over 10 to 1. Why?
History's most devout and/or ardent atheist-agnostic-christian presidents
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Probably because most people feel there's more to life, the universe, and everything than matter and energy. That if nothing is real but the motions of subatomic particles then love is not freely given, beauty is meaningless, free will is a delusion.
Jefferson was a Christian. Some of his closest friends were ministers. He wrote several letters that survived where he states it very clearly.
But why bother with facts when you can just make up bullshit and rely on poor education to win fans for your deviant nonsense? As history shows, it was those evul Evangelicals that voted for Jefferson, almost to a man, and made him VP and then Prez.
The peanut Gallery can avoid this sort of false spin and read this book by a real historian.
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Commies and faggots love to lie about Ben Franklin as well.
But why bother with facts when you can just make up bullshit and rely on poor education to win fans for your deviant nonsense? As history shows, it was those evul Evangelicals that voted for Jefferson, almost to a man, and made him VP and then Prez.
The peanut Gallery can avoid this sort of false spin and read this book by a real historian.
The Presidency of Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson occupies a special niche in the hagiology of American Founding Fathers. His name is invoked for a staggering range of causes; statists and l...
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Commies and faggots love to lie about Ben Franklin as well.
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Reactionary religionists like yourself love the idea others HATE you because of your belief in God.
Dutch Uncle
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That's my view too. We don't know what it is, but most people understand it. Again, I think atheists are lacking in something like a person who is color-blind.
What if it is all that? So what? You can still live like you have free will. You can still enjoy a "sunset".
I do. In fact I'm willing to bet I spend more time with art than even you do!
And I don't believe in the supernatural. Weird isn't it?
Strict physical materialism is a hard sell, and I'm surprised atheists keep trying to sell it.
The rules of logic, aesthetic beauty, mathematical theorems, the mathematical constants of nature exist and transcend beyond the motion of subatomic particles. So I've yet to meet an atheist who has given me a convincing argument that nothing at all exists but matter and energy.
I'm not talking about casually and passively enjoying aesthetic beauty. If nothing exists but matter and energy, then beauty is ultimately meaningless.
But beauty seems to have a transcendent quality that goes beyond electrons and quarks. The deeper you think about beauty, the more you realize there is an underlying mathematical harmony to it. Aesthetic beauty is often defined by the properties of symmetry, geometry, proportion, the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequence, mathematical rules of perspective, the Roche limit, fractals, the mathematical harmony of the heavens, etc.
Edit to add: that transcends trying to explain everything with quarks and photons.
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Again, "so what"? What if beauty is "meaningless"? That's a pretty meaningless concept. What is the "meaning" of beauty? It's an experience. Like a tickle or a punch to the gut.
It doesn't have "meaning", it just is. It's tickling your dopamine/serotonin system. That's all it is supposed to do and that's all most of it does.
Sure it may make you think about something but even that isn't a "meaning" to beauty.
Meaningless new age hoo-haa. No time for that.
Are you saying symmetry is pleasing to the visual cortex?
Your free to believe nothing is ultimately real except for the motions of subatomic particles, and that the mathematical principles that exist deeply hidden in the fabric of aesthetic beauty is just there by random chance and means absolutely nothing.
You are sounding more and more like a robot.
This is almost always followed by a demonization of the point. Subtle jab, underhanded insult.
And there it is.
You can't debate a concept, can you?
Trump is not smart enough to become an atheist
He probably doesn't think about anything but money and power.
And he leverages religion to lure in the gullible.
Because religion doesn't need "proof".
Now we've got women with second-class citizenship and less bodily autonomy.
^^^^This is why atheists speak out, Cy.
Trump even issued a "Trump Bible". What could be holier? Between sainthood and his own boulder may be a difficult choice.
Incorrect. I put a lot of thought into classifying these presidents, while also admitting I'm doing more lumping than splitting. I'm lumping deists into a broader agnostic category.
"Lincoln believed in the existence of God, but not The God of Christianity or any other formal religion, though there was never any question in Lincoln’s mind that this God was Immensely powerful, so powerful that individual human wills really amounted to nothing. Lincoln’s religion resembled the deism of Franklin or Jefferson."
Source credit:. Professor Allen Guelzo, Gettysburg College
I told you earlier on this thread that I am making these judgments based on actions, nor on words.
There's no reason for you to blame me that Nixon and Trump were the least spiritual and most irreligious presidents in our lifetimes. That's not my fault.
Dutch Uncle
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At $60 a pop. The same book can be had for a few bucks at a thrift store. It's also free online just like our Constitution.