Sammy Jankis
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But tiachiliberal. we know that not all people with hiv get aids symptoms. Are you trying to say we shouldn't AVOID getting the virus, just to be safe?
HIV DOES NOT EQUAL AIDS
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Sammy Jankis
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TaiChi must be hiv+.
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Credibility can get you somewhere. If a random guy off the street ran up to a physicist and told him he had figured out the Theory of Everything, he would be laughed off (BTW, this happens to real physicists all the time). If Stephen Hawking, on the other hand, presented his Theory of Everything, he would get a much larger audience.
However, if either persons Theory of Everything were a drawing of a peanut, they would be passed over equally. Stephen Hawking would just lose a lot more in terms of his credibility. And a few nutbags would probably come in and believe in the Peanut theory and condemn mainstream physics for rejecting this obviously credentialed genius.
This is essentially what happened with Deusberg. And it's sad.
However, if either persons Theory of Everything were a drawing of a peanut, they would be passed over equally. Stephen Hawking would just lose a lot more in terms of his credibility. And a few nutbags would probably come in and believe in the Peanut theory and condemn mainstream physics for rejecting this obviously credentialed genius.
This is essentially what happened with Deusberg. And it's sad.
Taichiliberal
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That was Linus Pauling's problem/story. It's got NOTHING to do with Deusberg....who CONTINUED his research rather than just run with the pack. To date, I am not aware of any scientific paper that concludes in no uncertain terms that HIV=AIDS (the original contention, also held by Deusberg). It's not a question of Deusbergs work alone, as there are many other noted in the field of virology, microbiology, etc., who point out the inconsistencies the the HIV-AIDS mantra. Essentially, all one has to do is IGNORE what Deusberg & company say, repeat the mantras, and make sure that Deusberg is without funding to make the "crank" label stick. That's easy. It seems dealing with information contrary to the status quo is hard, case in point
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/rrbhivneg.htm
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Taichiliberal
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FYI
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/rrbhivneg.htm
Also, Deusberg is not alone in his conclusions. If you are not aware of them, I could list some of the professionals with stellar credentials who agree with him.
Sammy Jankis
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But what is your point taichi? nobody should care about getting the virus because it may not become aids? It also may, if you become immuno-compromised down the road. don't forget that, shit for brains.
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I am not aware of one either. That's because I don't have access to scientific journals and can't search them.
I'm pretty sure most studies tell you the evidence points towards HIV=AIDS. Science does not say HIV=AIDS, it says where the evidence is. As it is, there's no evidence of anyone getting AIDS who didn't have HIV.
Hundreds of thousands of people died in South Africa because of this crank.
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Here is a source that presents a good deal of evidence for the HIV - AIDS link:
http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/
Unlike Deusberg, it is unbiased.
http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/
Unlike Deusberg, it is unbiased.
Taichiliberal
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Interesting: you don't have the facts, but yet you persist in asserting your belief as fact. Bottom line: I've followed this closely for 15 years.....no scientific paper that state HIV=AIDS exists...if it did, then it would have been published and Deusberg and company would have had to change their tune. If we are talking about evidence, then why is the evidence that I gave you IGNORED, since it's by reputable sources? Maybe you didn't read the following because you were posting at the same time
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/rrbhivneg.htm
As for the deaths in South Africa....do the research as to what were the health and health care conditions BEFORE people were tested and typed for HIV (a test which is different from the one performed in Europe and America....another "exception to the rule" in medicine in order for the HIV-AIDS formula to work). And if you read some of my other posts here, there's information that the PROJECTIONS as opposed to actual deaths (with or without treatment) are being skewed. Here's the thing: diseases that existed and were successfully treated (when the medicine was available) for decades are NOW suddenly HIV-AIDS indicators...and the plethora of specific HIV treatments that really slam the body are administered.
Bottom line: the lack of healthcare and related poor conditions in South Africa was killing people LONG before HIV was discovered.....and given how HIV is "transmitted", the stats before and after just don't add up.
Sammy Jankis
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Nobody says "hiv=aids", dipshit. It's common knowledge that hiv is a virus which may or may not become aids. Most choose to avoid the virus based on this possibility.
What is your point?
What is your point?
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And there's been people spending their entire life on UFO's. Does that make them an expert?
Nope. You're a crank. A crank for a discredited theory, supported mostly by a single man, that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
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Like how life expectancy halved in Lethoso since the HIV outbreak?
OH YEAH! HIV IS HARMLESS! THERE'S NO LINK BETWEEN HIV AND AIDS AND THE DRUGS THAT WE USE TO TREAT HIV ACTUALLY CAUSE IT!
Seriously, you people need to be put down.
Taichiliberal
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Oh would stop this bullshit of yours, would you please? I never said I was an expert, did I? My point (which you so desperately want to ignore) is the FACT that to date NO SCIENTIFIC PAPER HAS BEEN PUBLISHED THAT CONCLUSIVELY PROVES HIV=AIDS...that was the ORIGINAL basis for the stuff we are debating now. If it was, then Deusberg & company would be singing a different tune.
The only one who is "cranking" here is YOU.....you keep repeating diatribes long on generalizations, assertions and insults and short on substance. YOU all but ignore any source information I use...that indicates that essentially you are NOT open minded about this subject. So be it.
Taichiliberal
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Seriously, you need to stop braying like an ass and actually debate the issue using ALL the facts and a comprehensive viewpoint.
And what was happening in Lethoso prior to the typing of HIV? What was the "indicator" disease that HIV has now taken the credit for? What are the actual deaths as compared to the projections based on being typed with HIV?
http://www.duesberg.com/subject/epafrica.html
Taichiliberal
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Your source doesn't change the FACTS of my source.....there have been and are cases of AIDS were HIV is not present. Period. That in and of itself pulls out a major supporting block of the HIV=AIDS, HIV-AIDS mantra. All your source does is keep repeating that HIV causes or leads to AIDS. That is just not true. Case in point, do your own research regarding Kaposi's Sarcoma, and when it was taken OFF the list of AIDS related (or indicator) diseases. Kaposi's Sarcoma was common in drug abusers....and the initial focus group were gay men who abused inhalant drugs, had poor diets, bad sleeping habits, long work and party hours. When HIV comes into play, then "suddenly" Kaposi's Sarcoma patients doubles it numbers....until it was taken off the list.
And the information I'm referring to is not by a bunch of bloggers...remember, Duesberg was one of THE leading men in his field, who helped discover the HIV virus in AIDS patients. His only crime was continuing his research, and discovering evidence that contradicts the current popular status quo. If he's so incompetant and off course, then why was his original findings considered valid? And why are all the other nobel winning doctors, researchers, etc., suddenly incompetant because their independent research concurs with his?[/
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Taichiliberal
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You could, but in order to do so you'd have to ignore evidence to the contrary. Thorn and company said there was NO evidence of AIDS without the presence of HIV. When I give a documented scientific example to the contrary, all that can be offered in return is either silence or a website that essentially just gives a convoluted logic to support itself while IGNORNING THE FACTS. Case in point, do your own research regarding Kaposi's Sarcoma, and when it was taken OFF the list of AIDS related (or indicator) diseases. Kaposi's Sarcoma was common in drug abusers....and the initial focus group were gay men who abused inhalant drugs, had poor diets, bad sleeping habits, long work and party hours. When HIV comes into play, then "suddenly" Kaposi's Sarcoma patients doubles it numbers....until it was taken off the list.
And the information I'm referring to is not by a bunch of bloggers...remember, Duesberg was one of THE leading men in his field, who helped discover the HIV virus in AIDS patients. His only crime was continuing his research, and discovering evidence that contradicts the current popular status quo. If he's so incompetant and off course, then why was his original findings considered valid? And why are all the other nobel winning doctors, researchers, etc., suddenly incompetant because their independent research concurs with his?
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Actually my link went through every one of yours and debunked it. The evidence that HIV causes AIDS is overwhelming.