Holland proposes giving over-70s the right to die if they 'consider their lives compl

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Holland proposes giving over-70s the right to die if they 'consider their lives complete'




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World first: Holland will consider assisted suicide for over 70s​

Assisted suicide for anyone over 70 who has simply had enough of life is being considered in Holland.



Non-doctors would be trained to administer a lethal potion to elderly people who 'consider their lives complete'.



The radical move would be a world first and push the boundaries even further in the country that first legalised euthanasia.



The Dutch parliament is to debate the measure after campaigners for assisted suicide collected 112,500 signatures in a month.


Euthanasia has been available for the terminally ill in Holland since 2002 in cases of 'hopeless and unbearable suffering' certified by two doctors, but this would be a far bigger step.


Supporters say it would offer a dignified way to die for those over 70 who just want to give up living, without having to resort to difficult or unreliable solitary suicide methods.


They might include widows and widowers overwhelmed by grief, those unwilling to face the frailties of extreme old age or people determined to ‘get out while they’re ahead’ and meet death on their own terms.
The assistants who administered the deadly cocktail of sedatives would need to be certified, campaigners said.



And they would have to make sure that patients were not acting on a whim or due to a temporary depression, but from a heartfelt and enduring desire to die.


But critics say there is scope for the elderly to come under untoward pressure from unscrupulous relatives.
Many religious groups oppose any form of suicide on principle.
And the Royal Dutch Medical Association - which played a key role in supporting the nation's euthanasia law - fears patients would use the policy as a way of getting around their own doctors.


Although Switzerland allows assisted suicide in cases where someone is not terminally ill, the Dutch measure would go further.



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'Own choosing': Renowned British conductor Sir Edward Downes and his wife Joan died together in the assisted suicide clinic Dignitas in Zurich​

In July 2009, British conductor Sir Edward Downes, 85, and his wife Joan, 74, died together at the Dignitas suicide clinic outside Zürich 'under circumstances of their own choosing,' in the words of a family statement.
Sir Edward was not terminally ill, but virtually blind and deaf, while his wife was diagnosed with rapidly developing cancer.


In 2008 former rugby player Daniel James, 23, died at Dignitas. He had been paralysed from the waist down when his spine was dislocated in a training accident.


But Swiss law required Sir Edward and Mr James to hold and drink a lethal draught themselves, while in Holland the dose could be administered by a non-medical assistant.


Marie-Jose Grotenhuis of the Dutch 'Of Free Will' campaign said: 'We've been overwhelmed by the amount of reactions, especially because people took it so seriously and reactions were mostly positive.'
Several European countries allow some assistance to terminally ill people who wish to die. Belgium has followed the Dutch euthanasia model, while Britain and France allow terminally ill people to refuse treatment but stop short of allowing active euthanasia.


Around 2,500 euthanasia cases were reported in the Netherlands in 2009, rising gradually in the past decade as doctors have become more willing to disclose the practice.


Campaigners for the over-70s assisted suicide measure needed 40,000 signatures to force a debate in parliament and will do so after national elections on June 9.


The plan is certain to face resistance and if approved would still need to go through a lengthy process before becoming law.


The legalisation of euthanasia for the terminally ill was preceded by decades of discussion and quiet negotiation that attached stringent conditions and medical supervision.
 
Wow. So all you have to do is convince them that their lives are complete? "Non-doctors" get to administer the lethal blow. A serial killers dream! Hear that psychotics? Holland is debating on making a job just for you!
 
Wow. So all you have to do is convince them that their lives are complete? "Non-doctors" get to administer the lethal blow. A serial killers dream! Hear that psychotics? Holland is debating on making a job just for you!
Don't worry Damo. We plan on keeping you around until you can't remember your own name and are dribbling on your shoes.

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Wow. So all you have to do is convince them that their lives are complete? "Non-doctors" get to administer the lethal blow. A serial killers dream! Hear that psychotics? Holland is debating on making a job just for you!

There's just so much potential for abuse there. My former roomie was a grad student studying medical ethics; euthanasia took up an entire semester. The Netherlands were even at that time (around 1990) performing euthanasia of terminally ill patients, ostensibly at the patients' requests. There were numerous reports of cases where it had not been the patients who had requested death, however. To broaden this to people who, frankly, are not so infirm that they couldn't take the necessary steps themselves if they so choose, is nothing short of ghoulish. Not to mention what you've said above.
 
Whoops...my bad... I meant to say "even if" you cant remember your name and are drooling on your shoes.

Euthenising you would be such a waste. Worst case scenario is you'd make a good lawn jockey! ;)
 
Whoops...my bad... I meant to say "even if" you cant remember your name and are drooling on your shoes.

Euthenising you would be such a waste. Worst case scenario is you'd make a good lawn jockey! ;)
That's better. Now, get off my lawn! Why are my shoes wet?
 
There's just so much potential for abuse there. My former roomie was a grad student studying medical ethics; euthanasia took up an entire semester. The Netherlands were even at that time (around 1990) performing euthanasia of terminally ill patients, ostensibly at the patients' requests. There were numerous reports of cases where it had not been the patients who had requested death, however. To broaden this to people who, frankly, are not so infirm that they couldn't take the necessary steps themselves if they so choose, is nothing short of ghoulish. Not to mention what you've said above.

What's ghoulish is to force people who want to die and have a reasonable reason for doing so to live, or to die alone to insure the job gets done right.
 
I actually do not care if people who think their life is "complete" want to whack themselves, even with help. I just see a huge amount of easy abuse with such a system. Psychotics would actually be quite good at it, some might even get their rocks off and really enjoy their jobs.
 
I actually do not care if people who think their life is "complete" want to whack themselves, even with help. I just see a huge amount of easy abuse with such a system. Psychotics would actually be quite good at it, some might even get their rocks off and really enjoy their jobs.

That's what's concerning about the whole thing. There's already abuse under the existing system in the Netherlands. It just would be so easy, if this were formalized as they seem to be proposing, for some people to instigate a Blade Runner sort of program on their own, and to get away with it to a very great extent.
 
I actually do not care if people who think their life is "complete" want to whack themselves, even with help. I just see a huge amount of easy abuse with such a system. Psychotics would actually be quite good at it, some might even get their rocks off and really enjoy their jobs.
Yea, Remember Death Race 2000? Euthenasia day at the old folks home? Reminds me of that.
 
There's just so much potential for abuse there. My former roomie was a grad student studying medical ethics; euthanasia took up an entire semester. The Netherlands were even at that time (around 1990) performing euthanasia of terminally ill patients, ostensibly at the patients' requests. There were numerous reports of cases where it had not been the patients who had requested death, however. To broaden this to people who, frankly, are not so infirm that they couldn't take the necessary steps themselves if they so choose, is nothing short of ghoulish. Not to mention what you've said above.

I agree, Thorn. While I think people should be allowed to decide to die with dignity rather than linger in a terrible state. I wonder about the capacity for abuse.
 
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