Holocaust denial poll results

LV426 said:
This is precisely why we need more federalization of education. Leaving it up to the states is lazy recklessness. Clearly, anti-federalization is failing education.
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That is a very unpopular idea, but IMHO one that certainly needs to be looked @....... While no one wants the fed telling us this or that it may be preferable than some cultist w/ an agenda in the state house doing it......
 
Bill said:
That is a very unpopular idea, but IMHO one that certainly needs to be looked @....... While no one wants the fed telling us this or that it may be preferable than some cultist w/ an agenda in the state house doing it......
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We already are de facto federalized.
 
Guille said:
I understand the sentiment here but I think we're way beyond school choice mattering. The kids are taught the same things no matter what school they're enrolled in no matter how much or how little money that community has. At least in my state that's how it works.
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The "choice" I was thinking about was being able to choose between a public school and a private school.

I suppose Vouchers is what I'm talking about.

If your only choice is a Big 3 product, you get what you got. Add in Toyota and Honda and VW, and the entire product line(s) change for the better.

Watch what happens now following the intro of Tesla.

We need a big change in education RIGHT NOW to correct the slowly evolved rot we find ourselves suffering within today.
 
Walt said:
The main problem with private schools is they can do all that, but not at the same time. Private schools that cost less drop students behind public schools by one month every year they go to the school. Private schools that do better than public schools cost two or three times as much. Private schools that graduate better students do so by graduating fewer students.

Now for the part you will find very upsetting. Charter schools can work well in places like NYC, where there are large concentrations of people with complex mass transit. In places like Kansas, or West Virginia, they have always failed badly.
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Whatever the solution is, the current system ain't it.

We have fallen behind other developed nations and our education in considered a joke in the international community.

We were first or top 5 solidly for decades. Now we are 25 with no signs of rising. Our STEM ranking is in the mid 30's.

In the mean time, our teachers do not try to improve results in the classroom. They are trying to change the attitudes and feelings of their students.

The overriding and dominant goal of education should be to educate. Eliminate whatever is getting in the way and do the job.
 
Guille said:
It depends upon the law in the state you live in but if the voucher is considered public money then any private school accepting a voucher student is now taking public money and that comes with strings attached.
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Why should that be the case?
 
Old'N'Retired said:
Whatever the solution is, the current system ain't it.
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We have the most powerful tech sector on the planet earth, because of our impressive education system.

In short, the education system is working. It may not be working as well as we would like, but it is working.

To make things work better, it would be a good idea to copy what works in other countries. In short, do not do what Republicans want.
 
christiefan915 said:
Taking the knee was a protest against police brutality. Do you support police brutality?

There are well over 300 million people in America and the percentage of those burning flags, etc. is miniscule.
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No one support police brutality.

Kapernic said it was to protest "oppression." IE America is bad/racist.
 
Irish said:
No one support police brutality.

Kapernic said it was to protest "oppression." IE America is bad/racist.
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And along with oppression he said “There’s a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality. There’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable. People are being given paid leave for killing people. That’s not right. That’s not right by anyone’s standards.”

Furthermore it was his friend Army vet and former Seahawks long snapper Nate Boyer who suggested kneeling rather than sitting to Kaepernick.
 
christiefan915 said:
And along with oppression he said “There’s a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality. There’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable. People are being given paid leave for killing people. That’s not right. That’s not right by anyone’s standards.”

Furthermore it was his friend Army vet and former Seahawks long snapper Nate Boyer who suggested kneeling rather than sitting to Kaepernick.
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Police killings against blacks unjustly is very minimal. Its made up and inflated by the media.

Also most cop on blacks shootings were committed by black officers. It is NOT a problem.
 
Old'N'Retired said:
The "choice" I was thinking about was being able to choose between a public school and a private school.

I suppose Vouchers is what I'm talking about.

If your only choice is a Big 3 product, you get what you got. Add in Toyota and Honda and VW, and the entire product line(s) change for the better.

Watch what happens now following the intro of Tesla.

We need a big change in education RIGHT NOW to correct the slowly evolved rot we find ourselves suffering within today.
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The opposite is true, you get the big guys buying up the little guys and pretty soon all of the new cars look the same no matter who builds them,.
 
Guille said:
The opposite is true, you get the big guys buying up the little guys and pretty soon all of the new cars look the same no matter who builds them,.
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Styling seems to be mirrored among car makers as the preferences of the buyers are either shaped or identified.

In the moment, I am amused now that the differences between all of the models and manufactures were huge in 1970, and now a 1970 Cutlass and a 1970 Tempest look pretty much identical.

I also recall a conversation between my father and uncle about a Dodge Dart just purchased about which my uncle was bragging up the MPG as something like 15 MPG. Obviously, nothing to brag about.

Also, the Dodge Dart was presented as a Compact, but by today's standards is about as big as today's Full Size cars.

Anyway, the point is that more competition means more options and drives the evolution of the product as the public makes their preference know. Dollars talk and BS walks.
 
StoneByStone said:
But we do have enough information on things like the Armenian Genocide to teach it in schools. Yet we only talk about the Holocaust, slavery in America, and sometimes Europe's colonization.
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I think we tend to talk, fair play, about what's part of our own historical experience - here, the Irish and Indian famines, for instance, the slave trade maybe (not many British people were involved in that, and it wasn't government- controlled). Would they talk much about the Armenian genocide in Japan? As we get more people of West Indian and African descent, we get more involved about slavery.
 
moon said:
Unwrapping- they are clearly NOT aware that the ' undesirables ' massively outnumbered the Jewish victims. While not being ' a closely guarded secret ' that information is almost always omitted from most Holocaust narratives and swamped by the Jewish narrative on the occasions that it is mentioned. This thread would attest to that if not for our discussion.
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If I am understanding your point, I do not agree that there is a vast, Jewish global conspiracy to hog all the empathy for victims of genocide.

The fact that the first report you cited was published by researchers at the U.S. National Holocaust Museum is direct evidence that Jewish Americans are not trying to hide or downplay evidence of other ethinic groups who died at the hands of the Nazis.

The reason the Jewish genocide stands out is because the Nazis systematically planned, engineered, and executed a vast, continental-scale system of killing factories, associated infrastructure, and diabolical tools of mass murder, to exterminate all of the Jews in Europe.

That was literally unprecedented in human history.

That simple fact does not, and never has, stopped us from acknowledging the many other victims who were caught up in the halocaust.

The fact is the halocaust looms large in our imagination is because we were directly involved in putting a stop to it (with our allies), it is the most well documented genocide in human history, it happened in Europe (which we associate closely with culturally and politically), and most importantly people feel like the Halocaust serves as the poster child of what we need to prevent from ever happening to any human beings
 
Old'N'Retired said:
Maybe the money needs to be allocated to the parents in the form of vouchers that are submitted to the schools chosen.

In that way, the money comes from the parents, not the state.
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That's a strange way to try to justify spending taxpayer money on private/religious schools. I bet you are one of those ppl who get mad if a poor person receives "welfare," and spends it on drugs or a new iPhone. By your logic, once they've received the taxpayer money it becomes theirs so who cares what they spend it on, right?
 
Penderyn said:
I think we tend to talk, fair play, about what's part of our own historical experience - here, the Irish and Indian famines, for instance, the slave trade maybe (not many British people were involved in that, and it wasn't government- controlled). Would they talk much about the Armenian genocide in Japan? As we get more people of West Indian and African descent, we get more involved about slavery.
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If that's the case, then why is American (((media and academia))) so obsessed with the Holocaust? That didn't happen in America, it happened in Europe.
 
Cypress said:
If I am understanding your point, I do not agree that there is a vast, Jewish global conspiracy to hog all the empathy for victims of genocide.
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Now you're becoming insulting. You may, or may not, realize that the Jewish Lobby, when its narrative is challenged, automatically resorts to attacking the motives of its challenger- followed by character assassination attempts.
I've provided you with adequate and authoritative evidence that the Jewish component of the minority groups selected by the Nazis for extermination was NOT ' special ' in the program and you've repeatedly refused to accept that. Fine. The thread has served to make my point . The Nazis murdered up to 14 million people other than 6 million Jews.
 
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