I can agree with this. but what happens in those locals it the cities constantly push them out. making it other communities problems.
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I can agree with this. but what happens in those locals it the cities constantly push them out. making it other communities problems.
Sirthinksalot
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It's a matter of what the local population will tolerate. Places like San Francisco, Seattle and other liberal cities that give generous benefits to the bad homeless and allow them to put up shanty towns will reap what they sow. More drug addicts, petty crime and public defecation. If it becomes a federal program, every community will have to deal with the ills brought about by having bums around.
By the Jesus, this is going to be hard to argue against.
Text Drivers are Killers
Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
Hey einstein, managing a welfare state is NOT one of the listed powers of congress so, by the tenth amendment, it is entirely a local matter.
Nothing can be done about the homeless anyway except to ignore them or warehouse them. They can't be helped. Nearly all are drug addicts or clinically crazy.
MAGA MAN
Let's go Brandon!
That's why the libs here will ignore it.
cawacko
Well-known member
Could have fooled me with all the federal programs we have.
It's a federal issue. Ronald Reagan defunded mental health care facilities. Most of the homeless are mentally ill or on some type of drug. They need professional help.
The wealthy real estate empires, the stock market, and the dirty greedy banks, gauged housing prices and made it unaffordable for a lot of people to own homes, let alone rent. Not to mention the ridiculous racist lending practices and unreasonable credit scores.
You can thank capitalism for the homeless problem.
BTW:
How many times have you heard a racist republican white man say
"we throw millions at it, but it still isn't working?"
That lie can be said for a number of issues:
Education
Homelessness
Immigration
Welfare
Healthcare
They say that lie to make people think it's not money that is needed it's the person that is the problem.
Then they lock them up, which is their ultimate goal.
The wealthy real estate empires, the stock market, and the dirty greedy banks, gauged housing prices and made it unaffordable for a lot of people to own homes, let alone rent. Not to mention the ridiculous racist lending practices and unreasonable credit scores.
You can thank capitalism for the homeless problem.
BTW:
How many times have you heard a racist republican white man say
"we throw millions at it, but it still isn't working?"
That lie can be said for a number of issues:
Education
Homelessness
Immigration
Welfare
Healthcare
They say that lie to make people think it's not money that is needed it's the person that is the problem.
Then they lock them up, which is their ultimate goal.
cawacko
Well-known member
San Francisco is a liberal City with no elected Republicans so we know there is no racism here. Yet non racist people want to lock up people for being homeless. How does that work?
SFPD to arrest service-resistant homeless residents
Mission Station will be working with the District Attorney on issuing warrants to arrest homeless people who have been repeatedly cited for nuisance activities and who refuse services, said Captain Gaetano Caltagirone at a community meeting at Mission Station on Tuesday.
He said that while there are fewer tent encampments, there are still individuals who are not accepting services.
“It gets tiresome for the officers who get on scene and they tell the individual to move and they say, ‘No, we’re not moving,’” Caltagirone said.
Caltagirone said the police and the District Attorney will be building cases against repeat offenders by using quality-of-life citations such as obstructing sidewalks, urinating and defecating in public, and sleeping in illegal structures.
With a warrant, officers can arrest homeless people who have accrued enough citations. Before, he said, those citations were handed out with little effect.
“We’re going to be taking these (citations) and we’re going to be working cases on each individual case by case to see if we can create a warrant for the individual,” Caltagirone said.
The Captain said that once a person is arrested and in jail, it will be easier to find them services.
It’s unclear, however, what kinds of services – if any – jails can offer. And homeless advocates are balking at the plan.
“What he’s proposing is jailing people for becoming poor,” said Jennifer Friedenbach, executive director of the Coalition on Homelessness, which has been working to reduce law enforcement’s role in solving the city’s homeless crisis.
Friedenbach said that, while issuing warrants and arresting the homeless might get them off the street for several days, they’ll likely end up back on the street – though without the possessions they need to survive.
“There will never be a ticket that leads to housing,” she said. “Housing leads to housing.”
Friedenbach said that the individuals who are most resistant to services are often the most vulnerable, as oftentimes they suffer from mental illness.
Those people, she said, are in need of more resource-intensive services like intensive care in a hospital and extended residential mental health treatment.
But, she said, “All of these options are off the table because the system is overflowing.”
Caltagirone’s plan was at odds with another homeless program discussed at the monthly meeting.
Representatives from the city’s Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion, or LEAD, program spoke about a project that seeks to keep homeless people out of jail.
The program is aimed at diverting repeat low-level drug offenders away from jail and into social services such as shelters, medical services, and education and employment opportunities, explained Robin Candler, a LEAD program manager with the Department of Public Health.
“The idea is to engage them in treatment instead of sending them to jail,” Candler said.
The program is being piloted in the Mission and Tenderloin police districts, with five LEAD outreach workers operating within the Mission. San Francisco received a $5.9 million grant from the Board of State and Community Corrections for the project.
If an officer catches an individual committing a low-level drug offense or prostitution, the officer can refer the individual to a LEAD outreach worker, who would then connect the individual with services.
The law enforcement agencies currently allowed to make a referral are the San Francisco Police Department, BART Police, and the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department.
Jared Walker, a LEAD case worker, said that since late October, when the program began, his team has helped about four chronically homeless people into the city’s new coordinated entry system, which triages individuals into city services.
“Because of their high priority status, they will be moving into housing most likely within six months to a year,” Walker said.
Wanted posters
In December, Mission Local reported that Captain Caltagirone’s crime strategies are decidedly old-school – and he has reinforced that notion yet again.
In an effort fight car break-ins, Caltagirone is bringing back the wanted poster.
“It’s important who the public knows who we’re looking for,” he said. “And then you can contact us.”
The captain said the wanted posters will be primarily aimed at car break-in suspects. People can expect to see them in store windows, the stations website, and the newsletter.
“We’ve got nothing to lose to try that,” he said.
https://missionlocal.org/2018/02/sfpd-to-arrest-chronically-homeless-residents/
SFPD to arrest service-resistant homeless residents
Mission Station will be working with the District Attorney on issuing warrants to arrest homeless people who have been repeatedly cited for nuisance activities and who refuse services, said Captain Gaetano Caltagirone at a community meeting at Mission Station on Tuesday.
He said that while there are fewer tent encampments, there are still individuals who are not accepting services.
“It gets tiresome for the officers who get on scene and they tell the individual to move and they say, ‘No, we’re not moving,’” Caltagirone said.
Caltagirone said the police and the District Attorney will be building cases against repeat offenders by using quality-of-life citations such as obstructing sidewalks, urinating and defecating in public, and sleeping in illegal structures.
With a warrant, officers can arrest homeless people who have accrued enough citations. Before, he said, those citations were handed out with little effect.
“We’re going to be taking these (citations) and we’re going to be working cases on each individual case by case to see if we can create a warrant for the individual,” Caltagirone said.
The Captain said that once a person is arrested and in jail, it will be easier to find them services.
It’s unclear, however, what kinds of services – if any – jails can offer. And homeless advocates are balking at the plan.
“What he’s proposing is jailing people for becoming poor,” said Jennifer Friedenbach, executive director of the Coalition on Homelessness, which has been working to reduce law enforcement’s role in solving the city’s homeless crisis.
Friedenbach said that, while issuing warrants and arresting the homeless might get them off the street for several days, they’ll likely end up back on the street – though without the possessions they need to survive.
“There will never be a ticket that leads to housing,” she said. “Housing leads to housing.”
Friedenbach said that the individuals who are most resistant to services are often the most vulnerable, as oftentimes they suffer from mental illness.
Those people, she said, are in need of more resource-intensive services like intensive care in a hospital and extended residential mental health treatment.
But, she said, “All of these options are off the table because the system is overflowing.”
Caltagirone’s plan was at odds with another homeless program discussed at the monthly meeting.
Representatives from the city’s Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion, or LEAD, program spoke about a project that seeks to keep homeless people out of jail.
The program is aimed at diverting repeat low-level drug offenders away from jail and into social services such as shelters, medical services, and education and employment opportunities, explained Robin Candler, a LEAD program manager with the Department of Public Health.
“The idea is to engage them in treatment instead of sending them to jail,” Candler said.
The program is being piloted in the Mission and Tenderloin police districts, with five LEAD outreach workers operating within the Mission. San Francisco received a $5.9 million grant from the Board of State and Community Corrections for the project.
If an officer catches an individual committing a low-level drug offense or prostitution, the officer can refer the individual to a LEAD outreach worker, who would then connect the individual with services.
The law enforcement agencies currently allowed to make a referral are the San Francisco Police Department, BART Police, and the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department.
Jared Walker, a LEAD case worker, said that since late October, when the program began, his team has helped about four chronically homeless people into the city’s new coordinated entry system, which triages individuals into city services.
“Because of their high priority status, they will be moving into housing most likely within six months to a year,” Walker said.
Wanted posters
In December, Mission Local reported that Captain Caltagirone’s crime strategies are decidedly old-school – and he has reinforced that notion yet again.
In an effort fight car break-ins, Caltagirone is bringing back the wanted poster.
“It’s important who the public knows who we’re looking for,” he said. “And then you can contact us.”
The captain said the wanted posters will be primarily aimed at car break-in suspects. People can expect to see them in store windows, the stations website, and the newsletter.
“We’ve got nothing to lose to try that,” he said.
https://missionlocal.org/2018/02/sfpd-to-arrest-chronically-homeless-residents/
cawacko
Well-known member
Ummmm, these are the results of the policies you support. This is what you vote for. As you yourself said if you can't hang in California get out.
cawacko
Well-known member
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
dreamer?......
Cancel 2018.2
Oh, hi
Thank gawd they can't move to Hawaii.
Cancel 2018.2
Oh, hi
I think the Bible says the poor (homeless) will be with you always. Jesus helped the poor and the poor still remain.
This is an imperfect world, sin and poor people will exist. The question is, what will you do about it? Bitch and moan about Democrats and Republicans?
I help my local community. Give money when I can, help out at the food places.
I highly doubt any liberal - whining about money for those less fortunate - has given a penny to someone less fortunate.
This is an imperfect world, sin and poor people will exist. The question is, what will you do about it? Bitch and moan about Democrats and Republicans?
I help my local community. Give money when I can, help out at the food places.
I highly doubt any liberal - whining about money for those less fortunate - has given a penny to someone less fortunate.
moon
Satire for Sanity
There are WAAAAAAAAAAY too many military bases. Close some down. Send the soldiers home to their families. NOBODY is going to invade America and America's overseas presence is bloated and unwanted.
Offer accommodation in these bases with the proviso that residents undertake employment skills courses using the existing base equipment and infrastructure . Pay them to train. Everyone a winner.
Well- except for xenophobic American fascist assholes who enjoy mob-sadism. And the arms industry, of course.
Offer accommodation in these bases with the proviso that residents undertake employment skills courses using the existing base equipment and infrastructure . Pay them to train. Everyone a winner.
Well- except for xenophobic American fascist assholes who enjoy mob-sadism. And the arms industry, of course.
I think this idea is a good one, except, as pointed out by other posters, a large percentage of the permanently homeless are suffering from mental illness and/or substance abuse. We used to fund mental health facilities where this population could live out their lives and receive regular food and medical treatment. Unless their underlying issues are addressed, they probably are not going to be trainable. How should we help them in that case?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
we lease those bases......if we leave they will go back to the countries that own them, you will need to take their use up with them......