How does it feel to now be a taxpayer?

Dixie please cite to the portion of the opinion that says more than the mandate is a tax.
 
apple0154 said:
Those with pre-existing conditions couldn't get insurance. Others couldn't afford it for whatever reason.
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let's be honest, apple.....if the Dems had said "lets pass a prohibition on exclusion for preexisting conditions" the debate would have been over in January of 2009......we both know that isn't what the debate is about.....
 
apple0154 said:
Don't forget the deal the Super Committee made concerning the budget and cutting the military that was reneged under the Repubs. .
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???....it wasn't reneged....the cuts were made.....we are still waiting for the required $500 billion to domestic programs to be proposed....
 
The monster was strapped to the table, we had the wooden stake and mallet in hand, and could have killed the monster... we didn't. (thanks Roberts!)

Now that the monster has survived, Liberals who created it are giddy, believing their monster is indestructible.

But there is a crowd gathering with moose guns and torches, fully prepared to kill the monster in November.

The monster will die. The monster is not indestructible because it survived SCOTUS stake in the heart.
 
General Turdhead said:
Well, you didn't read section 9015. But, in any event, that's not the primary tax. You're doing some goalpost moving here as you flail about.
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Yes, I read all of it. There is no provision to increase top marginal rates (or any other tax rate) in the bill. In order for Congress to pass legislation which raises tax rates, it requires a supermajority vote... SO.... IF you are correct, and Obamacare contains some tax-raising provision, hidden amongst the 2,200 pages, then it needs to come back to Congress and be approved by a supermajority, because it is not valid as law unless that happens. So take your pick, idiot... it's either a constitutionally illegal law that should have never passed without a supermajority, or it doesn't contain a provision to increase tax.
 
Dixie said:
The monster was strapped to the table, we had the wooden stake and mallet in hand, and could have killed the monster... we didn't. (thanks Roberts!)

Now that the monster has survived, Liberals who created it are giddy, believing their monster is indestructible.

But there is a crowd gathering with moose guns and torches, fully prepared to kill the monster in November.

The monster will die. The monster is not indestructible because it survived SCOTUS stake in the heart.
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Why is the crowd so upset?

Wasn't this past week a huge victory for conservatives?
 
Dixie said:
The portion that says the Feds can't use the commerce clause to do this, and the only way it can be funded is through Congress' power to tax.
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That portion is only talking about the mandate. You are alone on this... You are looking quite dumb, you are off on another 1/3 limb here! Have u been showering with Jesus again?
 
Maybe Dixie thinks the surrender at Appomattox Courthouse was a victory for slave owners...
 
Dixie said:
Yes, I read all of it. There is no provision to increase top marginal rates (or any other tax rate) in the bill. In order for Congress to pass legislation which raises tax rates, it requires a supermajority vote... SO.... IF you are correct, and Obamacare contains some tax-raising provision, hidden amongst the 2,200 pages, then it needs to come back to Congress and be approved by a supermajority, because it is not valid as law unless that happens. So take your pick, idiot... it's either a constitutionally illegal law that should have never passed without a supermajority, or it doesn't contain a provision to increase tax.
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That's really smart.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the government requires you to have insurance, it can only do so if the cost of acquiring the insurance is a tax.....that is the SC ruling.....deal with it.....
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After rereading portions of the opinion, it is clear you are wrong!

"Under the mandate, if an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes. See §5000A(b). That, according to the Government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition—not owning health insurance—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS. " - Justice Roberts majority opinion!
 
Jarod said:
After rereading portions of the opinion, it is clear you are wrong!

"Under the mandate, if an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes. See §5000A(b). That, according to the Government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition—not owning health insurance—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS. " - Justice Roberts majority opinion!
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Do you think he will shut the fuck up now? No chance, what a mindboggling scenario we have here with Grind, Damo and Dixie on the same side.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
The short answer is that the only direct impacts the law has on HSA are (1) no use of HSA for over the counter medicines and (2) increased penalties for early withdrawals for ineligible medical expenses. However, there are some indirect impacts and it's unclear how they will shake out:

http://www.ifebp.org/inforequest/0160537.pdf
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Ironically, HSAs will have to be addressed soon. Because they work as designed, ( I know mine does), those who have them typically don't incur high costs for insurance companies.

As such, the MLR doesn't meet the new standards....IOW....insurance companies are doing very well with these plans.

Because of the MLR issue, rather than penalize insurance companies, they should grant some sort of waiver for HDHP/HSA holders.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Do you think he will shut the fuck up now? No chance, what a mindboggling scenario we have here with Grind, Damo and Dixie on the same side.
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Actually, let them continue to whine about some phantom tax. It's nice to see them get their panties all twisted, after weeks of predicting that the mandate will be overturned.
 
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