does this mean that you're in favor of Damo's comment of we should just pass a bill that everyone has to own a house?
No, no more than I believe we should pass a bill requiring everyone to own a gun....
does this mean that you're in favor of Damo's comment of we should just pass a bill that everyone has to own a house?
Is EVERYBODY going to pay for this? Or just what you deem to be "RICH" people? Because, if we are talking about something where each American is going to contribute, I have no problem with THAT idea.
No, seriously dude... what you want, is for people who make over a certain income, to have to pay for their insurance and the insurance of someone else too, so that a bunch of people don't have to pay anything. There is no country... heck, no place in our universe of reality, where things are FREE!
I don't see the need for myself, or anyone else, to repeat what's probably been repeated a hundred times on here to and on the internet to deaf, dumb and blind people.
You can find legitimate source on here if you look. Or try this:
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/index.html
No, no more than I believe we should pass a bill requiring everyone to own a gun....
Dude.. you have no idea what I want..
But if the idea of Bill Gates adding a little extra in his end-of the year tax bill to help a kid with a broken arm get a cast offends you? then you've got issues that are above my pay-grade to fix.
EKG is a chick? Why didn't someone tell me?
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Of course they can. Congress can vote to do anything they please. IF they wanted to completely abolish Medicare and give a rebate of Medicare funds to current taxpayers, so they can buy health insurance or Obamacare or whatever... they can do this. What they CAN'T do, is appropriate funds that have been collected to pay for Medicare, for the purpose and intent of paying for Obamacare.
The key here is "Congress can vote to..." I am aware of that, and have not argued that they can't. In order to fund Obamacare, they are going to have to vote to do so, because it will have to be paid for with a massive tax increase.
Congress does have authority to tax... yes, they can pass a massive tax increase to pay for Obamacare... that's ultimately what they will HAVE to do, because there is no funding for it otherwise. See.. what you keep arguing, is that they can implement Obamacare through Medicare, by making it a part of Medicare... but the SCOTUS ruled against that.
I suggest you read the ruling again. They specifically stated that the Federal government does NOT have this authority under the commerce clause. They have the authority to do Medicare, because it is part of the Social Security system, and we've passed the tax in Congress for that express purpose. They have no such authority to implement nationalized health care under the commerce clause, it has to be done, like Social Security, as a tax.
I am not watching any propaganda videos, or being counted by any pinhead as part of some distorted demographic. Sorry... try another fool.
What offends me is absurd hyperbole for the purpose of propping up envious self-centered stupidity. You want to stand on a soapbox and proclaim that every American needs to provide their own health care coverage, but that's not at all what you really want or think we should have. You want people you've deemed as "rich" to pay for the health care coverage of others, because they don't deserve their money, the poor people do. Instead of being honest enough to just admit that, you run around on your crusade to have all Americans pay for their own health care insurance...with the exception of the half that don't contribute a dime to society, and get a free ride on the backs of others. Not to mention, you expect insurance to insure you against things that have already happened.... And you don't think that will cause the price of insurance to rise much.
Why does your example have to be Bill Gates vs. kid with broken arm?
Couldn't it just as likely be; A naturalized immigrant who came here with nothing, and through hard work, sweat and tears, have managed to build their small modest landscape business into a $200k a year company --versus-- some lazy-ass lowlife who has figured out a way to bilk the welfare system? Or maybe it's the relatively middle-class shlub who's job it is to change the light bulb on top of the Empire State building, and since he has to work there, lives in Manhattan... and because it costs so much to live in Manhattan, but is required for this job, he earns $200k a year... he's not wealthy, he barely gets by, because the cost of living is so high in Manhattan, but that's where his job requires him to be....why should a larger chunk of his pay check go to help fund the bum who is fraudulently stealing welfare? We can draw up all sorts of hyperbolic individual examples, it doesn't maturely deal with the issue, does it? I mean... at some point, we become a Chris Farley character.
We already HAVE a nationalized health care system in place in America, we've had this for decades. The department of HHS was created to deal with just this very thing, we didn't NEED a revamp of the entire health care system. If the issue is old or poor people who are sick and can't afford health care... we have Medicare and Medicaid! That's why we invented them. We're already paying a huge chunk of our paychecks to fund these, but in all your brilliance, you don't see where that is enough. In fact, you pretend like, it doesn't even exist. Then, when I point this out, some other idiot tries to make the point that, "Well, we pay for THAT, why can't we pay for THIS?" It's like stupidity on steroids or something.
Let's run through this again. Let's say Medicare pays for a check-up. If that was dropped from Medicare and ObamaCare started to pay for check-ups then the cost of Medicare would drop and the tax that paid for that specific service would no longer be necessary to be collected for Medicare. Now, the tax would be collected and applied to ObamaCare.
The bottom line being no tax increase has occurred.
However, the savings come from having people diagnosed earlier for possible illnesses.
For example, high blood pressure. Rather than wait until 65 and find out ones kidneys have been partially destroyed a person at, say, 55 may be diagnosed with high blood pressure and starting medication.
When they reach 65 their kidneys are OK. At the cost of 50 cents a day for 10 years that would be less than $2,000.00. Compare $2,000.00 to the cost of paying for medical care for someone who has kidney damage.
Or diabetes and blindness. Compare the cost of insulin to that of looking after a blind person. Or osteoporoses. Consider the cost for periodic check-ups and medication compared to the cost involved in looking after a person with a broken hip.
Is this so difficult to understand?
It's not propaganda. The pictures are there. You're just too ashamed to admit the current medical system is a scam, through and through.
What offends me is absurd hyperbole for the purpose of propping up envious self-centered stupidity.
you are acting like we don't all pay for each other as it is.. I pay for your roads to have street lights, or for your mother to have smoother road to drive on instead of one with pot-holes.. you pay for the books my kids use in their classrooms.. healthcare is just that easy. I would assume you think we're one of, if not the, greatest country there is? are you going to tell me France can get it right but we can't? What does that say for American Exceptionalism when even Cuba can figure out how to pay for healthcare for their citizens and we're sitting here with our thumbs up our ass crying because OMG that lazy person might get treated for TB.. the hOrRor. of it all!!
and btw," half that don't contribute a dime to society" yes they did.. stop listening to Fox. Everyone is this country pays taxes, whether it be income or sales.. but yes my dear, even the lowly ones you loathe and fear, pay taxes..
here's a concept.. we all pay for the defense budget and guess what? it protects you,me and that 'free-rider' you're so afraid of.. and you know why? because it's for the defense of This country, not just the defense of the tax-payer..we can all pay for healthcare for the benefit of the country.. how hard is that to comprehend?
your side is so "personal responsibility' on everything.. well I call bullshit. It's not about that at all, it's about healthcare being the last bastion of the 'haves' over the 'have-nots'... if it was anything close to really being 'personal responsibility', you'd be all over a plan that makes everyone pay their own way instead of getting a free ride.. no, this is about a liberal doing a conservative idea better than the cons.. How dare he!
If this was about "You're taking from some and giving to others" you'd be just as hot over that bloated defense budget.. but you're not..
you don't mind spending or TAXING as long as the money goes to what you want it to go for..
or what about all the subsidizing we give to the gas and oil giants?
you were so worried about that immigrant, then why aren't you complaining that Mobile or Shell or Chevron shouldn't get his money for their pockets.. don't they get enough in the record breaking profits? Again, you simply don't care about that because Fox is ok with it so you'll never be the wiser on how much is really be 'redistributed' from the bottom to the top..
because you brought it up..
. what you want, is for people who make over a certain income,
addressed already.. everyone, I don't care who they are or where they came from, succeeded off the backs of others before them.. it's just to fucking bad if they can't be bothered to pay for that kind of safety,dependability,and security.. there is a price for civilization.. if there wasn't, we'd be Somalia, and just how 'well' would that immigrant be doing then?
it's not enough..
when there are still MILLIONS of people dying because they can't see a doctor to get their asthma from the coal mine they work for under control, it's not enough..
quit being so damn fatalistic, the country will not turn communist if your deepest fear of Shaniqua getting her food stamps AND her baby daddy gets a shot for his diabetes..
I have faith that we're just as smart as the rest of the civilized world when it comes to providing healthcare to it's citizens.. why you can't believe in your country enough is beyond me..
Exactly... so why aren't they using the free health clinic to do this now?
Cutting Medicaid does not make anyone’s health care needs go away: The people with
heart disease and diabetes who lose Medicaid coverage will still need to fill the same
prescriptions, those with cancer will still need treatment, and those with chronic lung
disease will still need medication so that they can breathe more easily. Cutting Medicaid
just shifts the cost of care to the people who had depended on the program and who
suddenly find themselves uninsured. Without insurance, they will not be able to afford
much of the care they need. Critical cancer treatments may be delayed. Manageable health
problems may deteriorate and ultimately lead to hospitalizations and emergency room
visits that could have been prevented. 21 And treatment costs will be higher when those
who’ve lost coverage finally do get care. Often, a portion of those costs goes unpaid.
Even at public hospitals and other safety net providers, the uninsured may receive
substantial bills for their medical care.22 For the low-income uninsured, paying those
bills can be impossible. To make up for the cost of this uncompensated care, hospitals
and doctors charge insurers more for services that are provided to patients with health
coverage. Insurers then pass those costs on by charging higher premiums to consumers
and to businesses that purchase health insurance. It is estimated that, in 2008, family
coverage cost $1,017 more because of higher premium charges that resulted from insurers
passing along the costs of uncompensated care.
I know it's a waste of time...
and I hate to yell...but...DICKSEE! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE HEALTH CLINICS! YOU PAY FOR THEM!
Um... yes... I am aware that we already pay for this... I think that is the point.
We are already paying for free health care, but you want us to pay for free health care, but we're already paying for free health care.
Is something not computing in your brain with this argument, Howey?
Christ on a stick!
You're makiing the argument that people should go to free health clinics because they're free! THEY'RE NOT!
Read the pdf.
Oy...I'm done with you.
Let's run through this again. Let's say Medicare pays for a check-up. If that was dropped from Medicare and ObamaCare started to pay for check-ups then the cost of Medicare would drop and the tax that paid for that specific service would no longer be necessary to be collected for Medicare. Now, the tax would be collected and applied to ObamaCare. The bottom line being no tax increase has occurred. However, the savings come from having people diagnosed earlier for possible illnesses. For example, high blood pressure. Rather than wait until 65 and find out ones kidneys have been partially destroyed a person at, say, 55 may be diagnosed with high blood pressure and starting medication. When they reach 65 their kidneys are OK. At the cost of 50 cents a day for 10 years that would be less than $2,000.00. Compare $2,000.00 to the cost of paying for medical care for someone who has kidney damage.
Or diabetes and blindness. Compare the cost of insulin to that of looking after a blind person. Or osteoporoses. Consider the cost for periodic check-ups and medication compared to the cost involved in looking after a person with a broken hip.
Is this so difficult to understand?
It's not propaganda. The pictures are there. You're just too ashamed to admit the current medical system is a scam, through and through.
You have documentation for this? You've typed this about 100 times this week.No, this is where you are wrong. If the tax is collected for Medicare, it can't be used to fund Obamacare. Even if they make cuts in Medicare, they still can't use the savings for Obamacare. They would have to return the money to the taxpayer, or find another part of Medicare to fund.