You have zero understanding of "Biden sat on the files for 4 years," Marty.
How Jeffrey Epstein could finish Trump from beyond the grave
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I have some idea. I once was one.
Ah, so you know you're deliberately lying all the time. then. The lack of character was always pretty obvious.
I guess that would be unlike "accidentally lying".
Looks as though the MAGA ass-kissers have had to do a 180 on this topic...and are doing a wonderful job of making it look as absurd (and belly-laughingly funny) as possible. They are adept at making these kinds of turns, because their idol, the Moron-in-Chief makes the turns necessary so often.
This administration is just a version of...
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
Your Cult won't recognize Vance as your leader. He just lacks the charisma and conman schtick of your #TangerineTyrant. He won't be able to control the (R)s by writing mean things about them on social media. In addition, he appears to be relatively stable and rational. This leftist would much prefer that to the crazy chaos-creating Carrot-in-Chief fucking up everything.
Tobytone
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Another brain-dead drone spewing copy-pasted clickbait drivel. Hate to crush your buzz, but you’re a moron destined for yet another letdown, just like always. You libtard sheep should be numb to failure by now, so buck up. Nice to see most of you idiots finally let your hair grow back, small victories, I suppose.How Jeffrey Epstein could finish Trump from beyond the grave
For the first time, the Maga base is not buying what Trump is selling. Or to put it another way, someone who died six years ago is posing the greatest challenge to the president’s authority since he returned to the White House in January, writes Jon Sopel
Who owns Maga? I mean, not literally, of course. Maga is an idea rather than a thing. It is not a shop or a book. There are no bricks and mortar – although if I could have had 10 per cent from every red Make America Great Again cap sold, I wouldn’t be sitting here writing this article.
The reason I pose the question is that when there was a rumbling disquiet over sending bombers to target Iran’s nuclear facilities, the president swatted his Trumpland critics who said this wasn’t true to the core principles of Maga and America First.
He more or less said, “I invented Maga, so Maga is what I say it is.” It worked. His detractors huffed and puffed a bit, but then they went quiet. The Maga coalition fell into line behind their hero.
But over Jeffrey Epstein – the disgraced millionaire and paedophile who died in custody awaiting trial – it’s all rather different. Here, the Trumpland critics are getting noisier, and their numbers are swelling. For the first time, the base is not buying what Donald Trump is selling. Or to put it another way, someone who died six years ago is posing the greatest challenge to the president’s authority since he returned to the White House in January.
It is replete with irony. Let’s face it, over the years, it has felt that Trump has been a one-man conspiracy theory generator, most famously of all, his “birther” theory: that Barack Obama was not born in the US, he was born in Kenya and was therefore ineligible to be US president.
The Obama White House initially tried to laugh it off, but the conspiracy theory just wouldn’t go away. So, eventually, they produced his birth certificate, which states quite clearly that Obama was born in Hawaii. But then those who bought into the theory said this was the summary birth certificate and not the full thing. And so it went on.
The lesson that Obama’s inner circle drew from this is that while you may be able to shrink a conspiracy theory by peeling off rational, fair-minded citizens, and while you may be able to get people to look away and focus on something else, you can never kill off a conspiracy theory completely. It’s like Japanese knotweed – or moths in your wardrobe.
And if anyone should know that, it’s Trump. He’s getting increasingly tetchy and cross that the American public – and his supporters in particular – won’t accept the findings of his attorney general, Pam Bondi, that with the Epstein conspiracy theory, there is nothing to it. Please move on. Nothing to see here.
Because, of course, the conspiracy theory was originally generated in Trumpland. It’s been talked up by the vice-president, JD Vance, and by the president’s son, Don Jr. And it roughly goes like this: Epstein had a client list of all the sleazy millionaires and politicians he’d entertained on his island of horrors where underage girls were forced to perform sexual acts for these powerful men – some of them supposedly prominent Democrats.
When he was found dead in his New York prison cell in 2019, it wasn’t suicide – as the post-mortem found. It was murder, they claimed. According to conspiracy lore, he had died because those powerful forces, whose names were in his little black book, wanted him dead before he could take the stand at a trial and implicate them.
Even Bondi is on record with her past promises of releasing a “truckload” of bombshell FBI documents on Epstein. She told Fox News in late February that she literally had possession of the convicted sex offender’s supposed black book of prominent figures who engaged in illegal sexual activities. “It’s sitting on my desk right now to review,” the attorney general told Fox News anchor John Roberts at the time. “That’s been a directive by President Trump.”
Pam Bondi has claimed she’s in possession of Epstein’s so-called ‘black book’ (Getty)
Compare this to the Department of Justice and FBI’s two-page unsigned memo released last week, concluding that the agencies had found no evidence that Epstein was murdered in his jail cell while awaiting trial in 2019. Additionally, they were unable to find any list of powerful clients that Epstein was attempting to blackmail for having sex with underage girls.
The conspiracy theories had also been advanced relentlessly by the likes of Kash Patel – now head of the FBI, and his deputy (the former right-wing podcast host) Dan Bongino – and millions of Maga supporters bought into it with gusto. It was another slam-dunk, deep state cover-up if ever there was one.
All of which has left the attorney general and president looking as though they are isolated and swimming against the tide when they keep insisting the Epstein file is a great big nothingburger. Rumours have swirled that Bongino could resign his post over it.
The Epstein court documents are held by the federal judiciary — a branch exempt from the Freedom of Information Act. Trump’s reluctance to release them is making him appear increasingly out of kilter with his base – something that just doesn’t happen.
He’s calling the Epstein story “boring” and said it was only being advanced by “bad people”. It’s a hoax. On his Truth Social platform, he called the Epstein conspiracy theory ‘bulls***’ – and referred to those who bought into it as his “PAST supporters” (His capitals, not mine) – as if there would be a process of excommunication for these apostates to the Maga faith.
Even the most pliant and obsequious lapdogs are growling and showing their teeth. Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House – who it sometimes feels was put on God’s earth purely to make Trump happy – is demanding the justice department publish everything it has on Epstein’s death. Republican congressmen are openly saying they don’t believe or trust what the administration is telling them.
There was a rally hosted by the former Fox TV presenter Megyn Kelly and right-wing radio host Charlie Kirk – two very prominent influencers – where they asked the 7,000-strong audience whether they buy the “nothing to see here” explanation. The hall is unanimous. They don’t. They believe there’s been a cover-up.
There is one other danger for Trump. And that is it generates a conspiracy theory in the opposite direction: that it is the president who has something to hide and is creating a cover-up to protect himself; that Epstein did have a list – and Trump’s name was on it. After all, that was the allegation made by Elon Musk when they had their Semtex-rich falling out a few weeks back. I should add that there is no evidence of that, although Epstein and Trump knew each other and have been photographed together.
It’s not quite Dr Frankenstein losing control of the monster he created, but if you live by the conspiracy theory – as Trump has done – you can die by it too.
tigerred59
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YALL have got to stop letting MAGA and Trump derail us from focusing on this BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, with this Epstink nonsense. Its all a calculated ploy to distract the American Stupid. Think for a second, what if Trump is caught with his dick in the mouth of some innocent white mop, then what? Who in the fuck is gonna check his white az? The DOJ? Homeland Security? The Supreme Court? Federal judges? He's a civil convicted rapist and won the white house!! STOP FOLLOWING THE BOUNCING MAGA HAT AND START FOCUSING ON THE BIGGER PRIZE, NEXT YEARS ELECTION AND THAT BBB MESS THEY JUST PASSED.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Everybody seems to think it's a matter of throat hold.
I don't think that at all..
I think the mutants accept Trump as their leader because Trump is playing to their true, perverted and obscene values,
and he does it because it gets them to vote against their own personal economic best interests.
Trump's only concern is strengthening the corporate oligarchy and making the distribution of wealth even more lopsided.
That's not that for which the mutants are looking, so to achieve that,
he gives them the racism, xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, and misogyny that they are seeking.
The stupid Vance kid will give them the same thing, as will other degenerate Republicans.
The messiah image of Trump takes us off the path.
He is first and foremost a corporate criminal with no shortage of other personal moral deficiencies for garnish.
One "man" didn't destroy America.
Millions of morally and intellectually deficient mutants did,
and supporting Pigshit was their way to do it.
Even liberals have either too much "true believerism" or too much timidity
to blame their fellow citizens.
Maybe accepting how big the problem actually is might be too daunting for them.
They'd rather think that irredeemable trumpanzees are capable of having
life-changing epiphanies.
They are not.
I don't think that at all..
I think the mutants accept Trump as their leader because Trump is playing to their true, perverted and obscene values,
and he does it because it gets them to vote against their own personal economic best interests.
Trump's only concern is strengthening the corporate oligarchy and making the distribution of wealth even more lopsided.
That's not that for which the mutants are looking, so to achieve that,
he gives them the racism, xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, and misogyny that they are seeking.
The stupid Vance kid will give them the same thing, as will other degenerate Republicans.
The messiah image of Trump takes us off the path.
He is first and foremost a corporate criminal with no shortage of other personal moral deficiencies for garnish.
One "man" didn't destroy America.
Millions of morally and intellectually deficient mutants did,
and supporting Pigshit was their way to do it.
Even liberals have either too much "true believerism" or too much timidity
to blame their fellow citizens.
Maybe accepting how big the problem actually is might be too daunting for them.
They'd rather think that irredeemable trumpanzees are capable of having
life-changing epiphanies.
They are not.
And in order to turn it around Pam Bondi would need to build cases against folks that destroyed evidence and prosecute them. Should that happen the leftists getting excited about this would be once again standing there wondering, "Exactly what the F*/K just happened?"
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Trump leaving office and Vance becoming President is good for all Americans, not just the Left, Middle or those non-aligned.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Again, you're blaming Trump for the moral and intellectual deficiencies of tens of millions of irredeemable American mutants.
Vance is just another one of them.
Too much "true believerism," Dutch.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Agreed on the difference between a single leader and a cultural issue, but cutting off the heads of snakes is the first step to eliminating a snake problem. I have no doubt that, without Trump, a lot of the MAGAs will fall into infighting just as they are doing now over the Epstein issue, the BBB issue and the Iran bombing issue.
True believers need something to believe in and that often requires cult leaders. Vance isn't a cult leader. Ergo, the true believers will split up into different factions with competing cult leaders. Consider the split between the Shi'as and the Sunnis when Muhammad died or among the Mormons when Joseph Smith died.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
I suppose that's possible.
Right now, I can't imagine like what America's future will look.
I guess it's the problem of those who will have to live in it.
In younger days,
I was active in social and political activities,
albeit not sufficiently successful in my activities.
Other than voting and sending the occasional check to the DNC,
it's not the responsibility of a soon to be 79 year old man.
I come here to vent, but it doesn't contribute to anything.
It's just a figurative steam valve.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
The future can be measured in trends. Over 20 years ago Fareed Zakeria wrote about the growing trend of illiberalism around the world. Reading history shows that cultural trends tend to move in cycles of 50-100 years. The USSR lasted about 70 years. Although the "seeds of the Civil War were written in the Constitution", it took over 60 years to come to fruition. African-American males got the right to vote 50 years before women.
The Cold War lasted for 45 years. At the moment, we're 35 years into the post-Cold War world. The US still seems to be struggling to find its place not only in a world where it's no longer the bastion of Freedom defending against the ogre of Socialist Totalitarianism, but a world where other nations are rising to America's level of prosperity and freedom.
Societies also seem to swing to and fro like a pendulum until they reach equilibrium. IMO, the dark trend of authoritarianism and white nationalism in which we are currently engaged is reaching its peak swing and will start swinging back over the next couple elections.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Because they were corrupt and on the take. Whole different matter there. They were using Joke's elected office for personal gain often at the expense of the nation. That's different from what someone's personal sexual proclivities are. Yes, I found Joke's sniffing little girl's hair weird and disgusting and whatever Trump does sexually is probably right up there but that's between him and whoever he's doing it with.
If Harris took over for Biden, it'd have been for the remainder of his term and then some Republican, be it Trump or someone else, would have been elected. Harris was, and is, unelectable in a national race.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
"(My) cult?" Hardly. So, what has "Carrot-in-Chief fuck(ed) up" exactly? Got some examples?
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
It amazes me how people in the Republican party can accuse anyone of corruption with a straight face. "Corrupt and on the take"? Hey, have you purchased your trump meme coin yet? How about crypto? trump's first trip as president this term was to sponsors of terror where he struck up personal business deals prior to his 2 douche sons, Uday and Cousey, heading out after to mop up all the money.
You accuse Biden of corruption? Biden has been convicted of nothing. trump is a literal felon! Hilarious!
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Yes, that's where we are, now--
forced to laugh at abomination in order to maintain our mental faculties.
Hopefully, we're maintaining them for better times ahead.
Hopefully.