How Keynes is Still Messing Up Your Life

Epicurus

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http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/65310867.html

In thrall to a long-dead experiment

We are all Keynesians now, Richard Nixon is said to have said. Too true, says Hunter Lewis, who's got a new book on how the famous British economist is still messing with your life.

And he is. We are all followers of John Maynard Keynes in the sense that lab rats, learning a maze by electric shocks, are disciples of some psychologist's theory. We no more benefit from this than do the rats.

Keynes, who died in 1946, is fashionable again. Politicians pray for his blessing on their stimulus plans, since Keynes preached that the way out of a slump was for government to spend lots of money. It should borrow vastly, said Keynes, and spend it on anything. He's the guy who first suggested paying some to dig ditches and others to refill them.

Nor just in slumps, said Keynes: Governments should print money, loads of it, to drive interest rates toward zero. This would cause a permanent boom, if only we also tax away money hoarded uselessly by rich people.

Sound familiar? Of course, says Lewis, who explains the doctrine precisely in "Where Keynes Went Wrong." Washington's embrace of Keynes went uninterrupted through Clinton to Bush to Obama. Fannie Mae's loose loans, the Fed's giveaway rates, bailouts, the porkulus: all Keynes, no matter the party.

How has that worked? "There's just no evidence" that this ever cured a recession, Lewis told me. Keynes "wasn't particular interested in evidence."

History suggests he should have been. Keynes was embraced by Franklin Roosevelt in the Depression; this stalled the mid-1930s recovery. Keynes' ideas in the 1970s led to stagflation. Japan stimulated crazily in the 1990s, giving itself the Lost Decades. The cure for the 2001 slump set up the 2008 crash.

Whereas recessions without stimulus - America in 1921, Southeast Asia in the 1990s - were sharp but swiftly over.

When governments pump stimulating rivers of money, they manipulate prices, the economy's gauges. By juking interest rates, the price of money, you're messing with the most critical gauge. The ensuing unreality leads to inflation, dot-com bubbles or foreclosed subdivisions. Stimulus is like curing a hangover with Thunderbird.

Lewis feels Keynesianism, an intellectual bubble, is nearing a pop, if only because Washington is running out of willing lenders. About time, he says. It has punished thrift and encouraged profligacy. It has led government to turn swaths of the economy into federal protectorates. "That's the single thing that worries me most," he said, the way bonds between government and business make the two indistinguishable. It sickens democracy.

Keynes wasn't a clear writer, says Lewis. He was self-contradictory: The solution to bad debt is more debt, for instance. The more you spend, the more you have. Deficits are a kind of savings. Lewis becomes grimly hilarious when he compiles the Keynesian paradoxes now being spouted. You realize our leaders aren't making sense.

Keynesians argue that it does make sense, only you rabble aren't equipped to comprehend. Keynes believed the economy couldn't be left up to rabble, who were ruled by "animal spirits." It had to be run by the wise - by people like him.

"He said, 'If things go too far in the wrong direction, I'll just step in and fix it,' " said Lewis. "Then he died."

We since have learned that governments are ruled by spirits as animal as anyone's, only with bigger paws. No one is so short-term as politicians, thinking of re-election and seduced by an urge to be in charge. This is why Keynesianism has triumphed among them, said Lewis: "It's a rationalization for policies that they'd like to pursue anyway."

So we all live in a $24 trillion experiment in whether, this time, stimulus will work. Two questions from one of the rats:

First, if the government rigs reality by messing with the value of money, how can we expect any other part of the economy to not be distorted and dishonest?

Second, if we abandon simple, comprehensible rules and rely on constant tinkering by wise leaders, what happens when we instead get leaders who, having done no work but rabble-rousing among Chicago's poor, have not the least clue about running an economy?

Revered, Keynes has no answer.
 
Retarded distortion of Keynesian teachings. There's too much obviously wrong to even begin. This is just fucking sloppy; they aren't even trying. They just don't care whether or not they tell the truth.

These people will be purged in the coming revolution.
 
Retarded distortion of Keynesian teachings. There's too much obviously wrong to even begin. This is just fucking sloppy; they aren't even trying. They just don't care whether or not they tell the truth.

These people will be purged in the coming revolution.
The quoted post above contains no information.
 
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/65310867.html

In thrall to a long-dead experiment

We are all Keynesians now, Richard Nixon is said to have said. Too true, says Hunter Lewis, who's got a new book on how the famous British economist is still messing with your life.

And he is. We are all followers of John Maynard Keynes in the sense that lab rats, learning a maze by electric shocks, are disciples of some psychologist's theory. We no more benefit from this than do the rats.

Keynes, who died in 1946, is fashionable again. Politicians pray for his blessing on their stimulus plans, since Keynes preached that the way out of a slump was for government to spend lots of money. It should borrow vastly, said Keynes, and spend it on anything. He's the guy who first suggested paying some to dig ditches and others to refill them.

Nor just in slumps, said Keynes: Governments should print money, loads of it, to drive interest rates toward zero. This would cause a permanent boom, if only we also tax away money hoarded uselessly by rich people.

Sound familiar? Of course, says Lewis, who explains the doctrine precisely in "Where Keynes Went Wrong." Washington's embrace of Keynes went uninterrupted through Clinton to Bush to Obama. Fannie Mae's loose loans, the Fed's giveaway rates, bailouts, the porkulus: all Keynes, no matter the party.

How has that worked? "There's just no evidence" that this ever cured a recession, Lewis told me. Keynes "wasn't particular interested in evidence."

History suggests he should have been. Keynes was embraced by Franklin Roosevelt in the Depression; this stalled the mid-1930s recovery. Keynes' ideas in the 1970s led to stagflation. Japan stimulated crazily in the 1990s, giving itself the Lost Decades. The cure for the 2001 slump set up the 2008 crash.

Whereas recessions without stimulus - America in 1921, Southeast Asia in the 1990s - were sharp but swiftly over.

When governments pump stimulating rivers of money, they manipulate prices, the economy's gauges. By juking interest rates, the price of money, you're messing with the most critical gauge. The ensuing unreality leads to inflation, dot-com bubbles or foreclosed subdivisions. Stimulus is like curing a hangover with Thunderbird.

Lewis feels Keynesianism, an intellectual bubble, is nearing a pop, if only because Washington is running out of willing lenders. About time, he says. It has punished thrift and encouraged profligacy. It has led government to turn swaths of the economy into federal protectorates. "That's the single thing that worries me most," he said, the way bonds between government and business make the two indistinguishable. It sickens democracy.

Keynes wasn't a clear writer, says Lewis. He was self-contradictory: The solution to bad debt is more debt, for instance. The more you spend, the more you have. Deficits are a kind of savings. Lewis becomes grimly hilarious when he compiles the Keynesian paradoxes now being spouted. You realize our leaders aren't making sense.

Keynesians argue that it does make sense, only you rabble aren't equipped to comprehend. Keynes believed the economy couldn't be left up to rabble, who were ruled by "animal spirits." It had to be run by the wise - by people like him.

"He said, 'If things go too far in the wrong direction, I'll just step in and fix it,' " said Lewis. "Then he died."

We since have learned that governments are ruled by spirits as animal as anyone's, only with bigger paws. No one is so short-term as politicians, thinking of re-election and seduced by an urge to be in charge. This is why Keynesianism has triumphed among them, said Lewis: "It's a rationalization for policies that they'd like to pursue anyway."

So we all live in a $24 trillion experiment in whether, this time, stimulus will work. Two questions from one of the rats:

First, if the government rigs reality by messing with the value of money, how can we expect any other part of the economy to not be distorted and dishonest?

Second, if we abandon simple, comprehensible rules and rely on constant tinkering by wise leaders, what happens when we instead get leaders who, having done no work but rabble-rousing among Chicago's poor, have not the least clue about running an economy?

Revered, Keynes has no answer.

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In no way, shape, or form can the recession of 1921 be compared to the great depression or the great recession. They had completely and utterly different causes and circumstances. People who spout this view need to be shot, they are cancers on society, and lower our collective intelligence.
 
The sharpest economic downturn since the emergence of the business cycle in the early 19th century was not the Great Depression, the market crash of ‘73, or the recession of the early ’80’s - it was the forgotten Recession of 1921.

As World War I drew to a close, soldiers were returning home and unemployment was climbing. President Warren G. Harding called together a President’s Conference on Unemployment to discuss the rising unemployment trend during the recession. The committee established a branch in every state having substantial unemployment, along with sub-branches in local communities and mayors’ emergency committees in 31 cities. The committee organized collaboration between the local and federal governments, but the emphasis would be on LOCAL and STATE authority.

President Harding (who had actually inherited a $25 billion debt from the previous administration) implemented spending cuts, tax cuts, and free market capitalism. He cut federal spending by 21%, began to pay off the national debt, and implemented tax cuts on corporate revenues and “excess” profits. He allowed prices to plummet, and he refused to bail out the failed banking & business institutions.

As a result, by 1922, GNP rebounded 6% and unemployment dropped 43% to 6.7% overall. This astonishingly quick rebound from a severe, one-year depression led the way into the “Roaring ’20’s”.

http://www.wethepeopletalk.com/blog/?p=39
 
The sharpest economic downturn since the emergence of the business cycle in the early 19th century was not the Great Depression, the market crash of ‘73, or the recession of the early ’80’s - it was the forgotten Recession of 1921.

As World War I drew to a close, soldiers were returning home and unemployment was climbing. President Warren G. Harding called together a President’s Conference on Unemployment to discuss the rising unemployment trend during the recession. The committee established a branch in every state having substantial unemployment, along with sub-branches in local communities and mayors’ emergency committees in 31 cities. The committee organized collaboration between the local and federal governments, but the emphasis would be on LOCAL and STATE authority.

President Harding (who had actually inherited a $25 billion debt from the previous administration) implemented spending cuts, tax cuts, and free market capitalism. He cut federal spending by 21%, began to pay off the national debt, and implemented tax cuts on corporate revenues and “excess” profits. He allowed prices to plummet, and he refused to bail out the failed banking & business institutions.

As a result, by 1922, GNP rebounded 6% and unemployment dropped 43% to 6.7% overall. This astonishingly quick rebound from a severe, one-year depression led the way into the “Roaring ’20’s”.

http://www.wethepeopletalk.com/blog/?p=39

This is mythology. Again, people who lie like this need to have their heads put on pikes and displayed outside the capital to show future generations what happens to usurpers of liberty.
 
This is mythology. Again, people who lie like this need to have their heads put on pikes and displayed outside the capital to show future generations what happens to usurpers of liberty.
Why do you do this? It doesn't show you know anything at all.

"Heads no pikes" is not an argument, it doesn't even show your opinion as to why it was "wrong".

Come on, watermark... you used to be thoughtful, now you are just a silly "heads on pikes" troll. You may as well just be Skinhead from the first board.
 
Retarded distortion of Keynesian teachings. There's too much obviously wrong to even begin. This is just fucking sloppy; they aren't even trying. They just don't care whether or not they tell the truth.

These people will be purged in the coming revolution.

It's not distorted. Keynesytards always think printing money is the solution.

This appeals to people in power because they can make sure greater and greater quantities go to their friends, cronies and pet causes.
 
Why do you do this? It doesn't show you know anything at all.

"Heads no pikes" is not an argument, it doesn't even show your opinion as to why it was "wrong".

Come on, watermark... you used to be thoughtful, now you are just a silly "heads on pikes" troll. You may as well just be Skinhead from the first board.

This does not deserve the dignity of being treated to rational discussion. It's trash, intellectual garbage by a man who knows shit about economics, and Epicurus is an ignorant piece of fucking shit for posting it.
 
This does not deserve the dignity of being treated to rational discussion. It's trash, intellectual garbage by a man who knows shit about economics, and Epicurus is an ignorant piece of fucking shit for posting it.
And still you continue with nothing to offer.

Scorn and threats of pikes will never be an argument, it just shows you are incapable of holding up your end of the discussion.

Show us your knowledge of history, tell us the differences between the 1921 recession and the Great Depression. Tell us how dropping our credit rating to zero is going to help the nation. Give credible information, you have the resources of teh interwebs at your disposal and your Econ 101 class under your belt.

You aren't Obama, the simple suggestion that you know something isn't good enough to win awards.
 
I'm trying to figure out if you could possibly lie more in a more compact space than this?

Right wingers have never proposed any solution any time to any problem that had a positive effect on anything.
 
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