how many bad apples does it take to spoil the whole thing?

http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/10/meet-michael-vagnini-the-milwaukee-cop-c

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Vagnini and three others are facing criminal charges stemming from a series of illegal rectal searches Vagnini vigorously conducted between February 2010 and February 2012. "Vagnini is alleged to have performed all of the searches," the paper reports. "The three other officers are accused of witnessing Vagnini's actions and not stopping them or reporting them to a supervisor." A total of 32 of their police colleagues testified against the four men. How ethical of them to wait only two years to speak up!

Here is a fun fact: It is illegal in Wisconsin for a police officer to perform a cavity search, regardless of what probable cause he may have to believe that a suspect is hiding things in his cavities. Here is another fun fact: Three of the four officers charged in the investigation have official reprimands on their records for "for failure to be civil and courteous toward the public," "unsafe vehicle operation" (twice), and "failing to honor a subpoena." They were, in other words, problem cops who should have been fired or placed on desk duty ages ago.

Here is the most fun fact: The Milwaukee Police Department knew about the illegal searches for "a couple of years," but waited to do anything about them "until authorities recognized a pattern."

In accordance with Milwaukee's Law Enforcement Officers' Bill of Rights, all four officers are on paid leave pending the outcome of an internal hearing that will occur alongside the criminal trial.
 
http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/10/meet-michael-vagnini-the-milwaukee-cop-c

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Vagnini and three others are facing criminal charges stemming from a series of illegal rectal searches Vagnini vigorously conducted between February 2010 and February 2012. "Vagnini is alleged to have performed all of the searches," the paper reports. "The three other officers are accused of witnessing Vagnini's actions and not stopping them or reporting them to a supervisor." A total of 32 of their police colleagues testified against the four men. How ethical of them to wait only two years to speak up!

Here is a fun fact: It is illegal in Wisconsin for a police officer to perform a cavity search, regardless of what probable cause he may have to believe that a suspect is hiding things in his cavities. Here is another fun fact: Three of the four officers charged in the investigation have official reprimands on their records for "for failure to be civil and courteous toward the public," "unsafe vehicle operation" (twice), and "failing to honor a subpoena." They were, in other words, problem cops who should have been fired or placed on desk duty ages ago.

Here is the most fun fact: The Milwaukee Police Department knew about the illegal searches for "a couple of years," but waited to do anything about them "until authorities recognized a pattern."

In accordance with Milwaukee's Law Enforcement Officers' Bill of Rights, all four officers are on paid leave pending the outcome of an internal hearing that will occur alongside the criminal trial.

Now if only they could receive a cavity search. Maybe in prison?
 
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_309ff04b-6b63-5de9-962f-401f1ec489c7.html

MONTGOMERY CITY


A St. Charles County sheriff's deputy was sentenced Friday to five years in prison for breaking the law while he and other officers were at a Middletown, Mo., home to apprehend a wanted meth cook.

In August, a jury found Christopher E. Hunt, 38, guilty of felony burglary and misdemeanor assault and property damage after a three-day trial that pitted police officer against police officer.

....

Hunt's attorney, Joseph McCulloch, argued for probation. "His law enforcement career is ended; the ability to support his family is crippled," he said. "I don't know what message putting him in jail would send."
 
all it takes is one. all too often, those around the bad apple say nothing. that alone makes them as corrupt as the lawbreaking badge wearer.

I am all for greater scrutiny of police brutality cases but, I think you are little to hard on them sometimes. It's not easy to be a cop. They see some really fd up shit and have to deal with people being really nasty to each other. It can scar them and cause them a lot of psychological problems.

If they are treated as a monolith or given NO room for error then they are going to get defensive and circle the wagons. I am not sure how to solve the problems, but punishment alone and/or an us against them mentality is not likely to improve the situation.
 
I am all for greater scrutiny of police brutality cases but, I think you are little to hard on them sometimes. It's not easy to be a cop. They see some really fd up shit and have to deal with people being really nasty to each other. It can scar them and cause them a lot of psychological problems.

If they are treated as a monolith or given NO room for error then they are going to get defensive and circle the wagons. I am not sure how to solve the problems, but punishment alone and/or an us against them mentality is not likely to improve the situation.
todays law enforcement has every bit of protection they could ever need to do their jobs. If it's too much for their psyche, then they don't need to be in the job. As to being given NO room for error? do you know what the standard is for holding a cop accountable for breaking the law in the performance of their duties?
 
if there was a group of friends and one person beat the crap out of some innocent person, does that one person's action reflect on the whole group?
 
huh? where did you even get that from what i said. how can you possibly say that one person reflects on the whole group?
when that whole groups job is to enforce the laws, for which they are given great power over those NOT tasked with enforcing the law, one person of that group breaking the law spoils the whole group UNLESS the rest of that group doesn't selectively enforce the law. If ONE of that group breaks the law by assaulting a handcuffed suspect and is immediately arrested by the rest of that badge wearing group, then the rest of that group saved their collective reputation. One person reflects upon the whole group when the others do nothing.
 
when that whole groups job is to enforce the laws, for which they are given great power over those NOT tasked with enforcing the law, one person of that group breaking the law spoils the whole group UNLESS the rest of that group doesn't selectively enforce the law. If ONE of that group breaks the law by assaulting a handcuffed suspect and is immediately arrested by the rest of that badge wearing group, then the rest of that group saved their collective reputation. One person reflects upon the whole group when the others do nothing.

fair point. however, it falls short here when police groups are split up into precincts. if you want to label a specific precinct who did nothing as bad, i'm with you on that.
 
fair point. however, it falls short here when police groups are split up into precincts. if you want to label a specific precinct who did nothing as bad, i'm with you on that.
it's not that difficult. case in point, the 17 year veteran in philadelphia who punched a woman for suspecting that she threw some liquid on him even though he couldn't see who actually did it. several cops, never seeing the incident, automatically protected the assailant with a badge, just because he had a badge, and the union president will defend him completely because 'he was trying to control the situation'.

no, they already have too much power to assault, arrest, even kill someone and suffer no consequences to be given a pass if they don't do something about criminal action by one of their own.
 
it's not that difficult. case in point, the 17 year veteran in philadelphia who punched a woman for suspecting that she threw some liquid on him even though he couldn't see who actually did it. several cops, never seeing the incident, automatically protected the assailant with a badge, just because he had a badge, and the union president will defend him completely because 'he was trying to control the situation'.

no, they already have too much power to assault, arrest, even kill someone and suffer no consequences to be given a pass if they don't do something about criminal action by one of their own.

that happens with any group. take football for example. the team mates don't care if their mate is in the right, they will join in and help him in the fight.

damn, i'm a poet and don't i know it. :D
 
I guess that makes me a man of higher principles then, because I wouldn't tolerate that shit.

neither would i. i'm not making excuses, i'm merely pointing out that it is not just police. i'm trying to get you to see the error of your ways by blaming all police for the actions of a few. without police, this nation would be in virtual anarchy.
 
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