how many cops does it take for a speeding ticket?

Back when CC first came out for our state we had to attend a class so that we would know the law. I've only been stopped for speeding once and that was just long enough for the HP to come back to my truck and tell me to slow down. I have been through several road blocks since I have my CCL. The instructions we received in class as to encounters with law enforcement was to keep our hands visible, preferrable on the steering wheel, and inform the officer that you have a weapon. I have done this every time with no problem. A little cooperation goes a long way.

I was stopped by a game warden one time as I was coming from a shooting outing with a friend of mine who was on leave from the military. It was about 2 am, he had received a report of spot lighting in the area, and I had 17 long guns and 2 handguns in my Bronco. Again, I told him up front they were there, let him check as many as he wanted to see if they were loaded and it was no big deal.

Certain things are cause for certain questions. Before I had a CCL, I expected, and sometimes got the question about firearms because whatever vehicle I owned had an NRA sticker on it. No big deal. When people don't cooperate (I'm "choosing to exercise my right to remain silent on that question") it is cause for suspicion...and when firearms are involved I'd want some back up too. Maybe what showed up was overkill but it is definitely understandable that backup would be warrented.
 
leaningright said:
When people don't cooperate (I'm "choosing to exercise my right to remain silent on that question") it is cause for suspicion...and when firearms are involved I'd want some back up too. Maybe what showed up was overkill but it is definitely understandable that backup would be warrented.
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when did the exercise of your rights be cause for reasonable suspicion?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
when did the exercise of your rights be cause for reasonable suspicion?
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We have rights to do lots of things in this country. Do you not think that a person pleading the 5th on a witness stand incriminates himself.....what I mean is: don't you think the witnesses to the trial see a measure of guilt in a person who does that? The difference is that one is in a courtroom, a controlled situation and the other is in a dark parking lot.

I know you have made efforts the past few days, as well as other times, to paint law enforcement as the "bad guys." Though they have their share of bad apples, IMO they are no more the "bad guys" than the military that a lot on the left like to point a negative finger at.
 
leaningright said:
We have rights to do lots of things in this country. Do you not think that a person pleading the 5th on a witness stand incriminates himself.....what I mean is: don't you think the witnesses to the trial see a measure of guilt in a person who does that? The difference is that one is in a courtroom, a controlled situation and the other is in a dark parking lot.

I know you have made efforts the past few days, as well as other times, to paint law enforcement as the "bad guys." Though they have their share of bad apples, IMO they are no more the "bad guys" than the military that a lot on the left like to point a negative finger at.
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Better those transgressions stay in the dark? Is that what your support, instead of the left pointing out the "bad apples" in both situations? Better for crimes to be committed against civilians?
 
Rana said:
Better those transgressions stay in the dark? Is that what your support, instead of the left pointing out the "bad apples" in both situations? Better for crimes to be committed against civilians?
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Not at all Rana, I applaud when the bad apples are pointed out and removed from the bin.

This thread....post #8: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=29735

If you are referring to my comment about STY's cop feelings being comparable to the left's military feelings, I was just trying to get him to see that he's trying to paint with a very broad brush. Every element of life and every agency has its good and bad. Weed out the bad but don't damage the good in the process.
 
leaningright said:
We have rights to do lots of things in this country. Do you not think that a person pleading the 5th on a witness stand incriminates himself.....what I mean is: don't you think the witnesses to the trial see a measure of guilt in a person who does that? The difference is that one is in a courtroom, a controlled situation and the other is in a dark parking lot.

I know you have made efforts the past few days, as well as other times, to paint law enforcement as the "bad guys." Though they have their share of bad apples, IMO they are no more the "bad guys" than the military that a lot on the left like to point a negative finger at.
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so rights can only be exercised in clearly controlled and 'officer safe' environments. got it. :palm:
 
Superfreak said:
It is a 12 minute video and I haven't had time to watch it all yet. What did the cops do to violate his rights?
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He was pulled over for speeding and a non-functioning license plate light. When the officer noticed the 'georgia carry.org' bumper sticker, he asked him about firearms. The driver verbally refused to answer that question. Please note, that the state of Georgia has no law mandating firearms notification, even upon the request of an officer, without any reasonable and articulable suspicion that said person has committed a crime, is committing a crime, or will commit a crime. 4th Amendment precedent in the courts has upheld a drivers right to privacy as well as unreasonable search and seizure for simple traffic stops and the USSC has refused to create a firearms exception to the 4th Amendment.

So, refusal to answer a question that he didn't have to got him ordered out of his vehicle and patted down for weapons, which was a 4th Amendment violation.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
He was pulled over for speeding and a non-functioning license plate light. When the officer noticed the 'georgia carry.org' bumper sticker, he asked him about firearms. The driver verbally refused to answer that question. Please note, that the state of Georgia has no law mandating firearms notification, even upon the request of an officer, without any reasonable and articulable suspicion that said person has committed a crime, is committing a crime, or will commit a crime. 4th Amendment precedent in the courts has upheld a drivers right to privacy as well as unreasonable search and seizure for simple traffic stops and the USSC has refused to create a firearms exception to the 4th Amendment.

So, refusal to answer a question that he didn't have to got him ordered out of his vehicle and patted down for weapons, which was a 4th Amendment violation.
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I am not a legal expert by any means, but the cop also has rights. If they simply ordered him out of his vehicle and patted him down, that doesn't appear to be an illegal search and seizure. They had probable cause (IMO) to pat him down. If they searched his car, you have a point. But the cop has a right to protect himself (or herself).

Once again you imply the cop has to get shot at (or in this case have a gun drawn on him) before being able to protect himself.

As others have said... he could have simply cooperated as well. What was the point of pleading the fifth? While he had the right to do so.... what did he possibly have to gain in doing so?
 
Superfreak said:
I am not a legal expert by any means, but the cop also has rights. If they simply ordered him out of his vehicle and patted him down, that doesn't appear to be an illegal search and seizure. They had probable cause (IMO) to pat him down. If they searched his car, you have a point. But the cop has a right to protect himself (or herself).
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If what you are referring to as the 'terry stop', to pat someone down during an investigation of a crime, one has to have reasonable suspicion that the person is armed and/or dangerous. A stop for speeding, while a crime, does not rise to the level of suspicion for being armed and dangerous.

Superfreak said:
Once again you imply the cop has to get shot at (or in this case have a gun drawn on him) before being able to protect himself.
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any cop that doesn't approach every traffic stop as potentially his last, shouldn't be a cop. does that mean then that every traffic stop should be handled as a felony stop?

Superfreak said:
As others have said... he could have simply cooperated as well. What was the point of pleading the fifth? While he had the right to do so.... what did he possibly have to gain in doing so?
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because it's his right to do so? that isn't enough? if a cop wants to come in and search your home and you have nothing to gain by denying him, would you let him then?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
He was pulled over for speeding and a non-functioning license plate light. When the officer noticed the 'georgia carry.org' bumper sticker, he asked him about firearms. The driver verbally refused to answer that question. Please note, that the state of Georgia has no law mandating firearms notification, even upon the request of an officer, without any reasonable and articulable suspicion that said person has committed a crime, is committing a crime, or will commit a crime. 4th Amendment precedent in the courts has upheld a drivers right to privacy as well as unreasonable search and seizure for simple traffic stops and the USSC has refused to create a firearms exception to the 4th Amendment.

So, refusal to answer a question that he didn't have to got him ordered out of his vehicle and patted down for weapons, which was a 4th Amendment violation.
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Then petition the ACLU to take up his cause or STFU.
How may Texican Militia members did you blow today?
 
Smarter Than All Y'All said:
Go out now and tell a police officer how you feel.

Get somebody to capture the encounter on video and post it here after you get out.

Until and unless you do that, you're a gutless whiner hiding on the web.

BTW, WTF is a "bumber" sticker?
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proof that you have no point, argument, or position....other than on your knees.

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SmarterThanYou said:
how about you stop being such a retard?

because if you had a single brain cell, you'd know that the ACLU won't touch a case involving gun owner discrimination.

so go have a seat in the back and shut up little girl.
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But you said his rights had been violated and that's what the ACLU is for.
Hell; if they'll defend a racists right to spew hate speach, this should be a piece of cake.
 
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