How Much More Disappointing Can People Get Than To Be Religious?!

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

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At op,

People like to join things. Sometimes verifiably false facts are used to gauge devotion.

I think it's disgusting and choose to be a member of as few things as possible. I abhorre collectivism and rate only one lie worse than argumentum ad populum.

But, i'd be a member of something if i devoted myself to the above. Thusly, ijdgaf.

If you are claiming you believe the sun will give off light and heat tomorrow, that is at least reasonable as the sun factually exists and it factually gives off heat and light.

There are no proofs in an open functional system.
The 'lies' you speak of is simply another religion.
It is not possible to prove any god or gods exist.
It is not possible to prove any god or gods do not exist.

It is not possible to prove no god or gods exist.

No religion can prove itself True.
No one can prove any religion is False (except religions based on buzzwords, a void argument, or other fallacy, by use of the internal consistency check).

All religions are based on some initial circular argument, and all other arguments in that religion stem from that. The circular argument is also known as the argument of faith. It is not a logical fallacy itself, but trying to prove a circular argument either True or False is. This is what a fundamentalist does.

I suggest bringing up future threads of this nature in the Religion forums. It's the wrong place for it here.

It's not only possible, it's already been done and it was a piece of cake, you being deliberately ignorant doesn't change what primary fact already proves. go ahead and contest this little thing with even so much as a shred of validity, you never will because the facts I share already prove that beyond any shadow of doubt that no such thing as a god ever existed.

You seem to think ignoring and lying changes primary fact. Facts are not argued, they are not agreed upon, they are not believed, they are either recognized or ignored. Go ahead and contedst this with even so much as a shred of validity, short but sweet.

Learn what 'fact' means. 'Fact' does not mean Universal Truth or 'proof'. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

So you are trying to put words into my mouth to try and argue with yourself about it? The fact always remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. If you are claiming this is not fact, let alone primary fact then go right ahead and share just one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness. You never will because again the fact always remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Piece of cake, struggle all you want because you'll never change what primary fact already proves.

 

[Drummie123]

I don't hate anyone or anything for that matter, but that doesn't mean I like people who value a factually proven foundation of filthy religious lies which have already lead to thousands of years of war and divide and to the death of millions if not billions to this day more than they value human life hence what it means to be religious. Shame on anyone for stooping to call them self religious. How dare you value a factually proven foundation of filthy religious lies more than you value human life yet seem to think your critique should account for anything more than what it is which equals deliberate ignorance!

Shame on the religious for also setting the example or even a cheap template for modern selfish interest groups to follow which is ignore fact, make up lies, call those lies their belief then start trying to force such rubbish on everyone else just like the religious have been doing for thousands of years which has lead to thousands of years of war and divide. Sick, just plain sick that people could be that collectively dumb and ignorant. The globalists love this I'm sure because it helps them to divide and conquer.

The following video explains how the religious and their only defense which is deliberate ignorance towards fact, could easily get us all killed, but what do the religious care since they value a factually proven foundation of filthy religious lies more than they value life hence what it means to be religious. The following video also demonstrates that very factual evidence which proves that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies.

I am sharing this because I am really getting sick of seeing society divided over a slew of cheap and pathetic lies and deceptions used by the selfish and the greedy to take advantage of those from a time of weakness for power and control over the many!

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David Jeffrey Spetch
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Hamilton Ontario Canada

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I have no desire to lock horns with a fellow Conservative, especially over Christianity.

But, I will point out that without Christianity in a society, there is only one fence to corral the passions and excesses of society and it is imposed by the State.

But American society, when Christianity was healthy (as opposed to now when it is not as healthy) and when Christianity was a meaningful and a visible part of our collective mindset, provided a SECOND boundary to protect us from human passions and excesses. The laws of the land served as the last fence. The boundary posed by Christian beliefs served as the FIRST boundary. And it is a personal boundary that each person self enforced instead of it being imposed on them by the State.

What we see happening today is a Godless Communist friendly attempt to impose a needed sense of a self moderated morality on America to make us all a kinder and gentler society and it will not succeed except by fear, coercion, intimidation and ultimately by force.

 

[Phantasmal]

I have no desire to lock horns with a fellow Conservative, especially over Christianity.

But, I will point out that without Christianity in a society, there is only one fence to corral the passions and excesses of society and it is imposed by the State.

But American society, when Christianity was healthy (as opposed to now when it is not as healthy) and when Christianity was a meaningful and a visible part of our collective mindset, provided a SECOND boundary to protect us from human passions and excesses. The laws of the land served as the last fence. The boundary posed by Christian beliefs served as the FIRST boundary. And it is a personal boundary that each person self enforced instead of it being imposed on them by the State.

What we see happening today is a Godless Communist friendly attempt to impose a needed sense of a self moderated morality on America to make us all a kinder and gentler society and it will not succeed except by fear, coercion, intimidation and ultimately by force.

LOL, people who makes these types of statement forget about slavery and the treatment of the Indigenous people, the Chinese immigrants and Irish Catholics.

Fear, coercion, intimidation and force are the tools of religion. Example Hell

 

[Drummie123]

LOL, people who makes these types of statement forget about slavery and the treatment of the Indigenous people, the Chinese immigrants and Irish Catholics.

Fear, coercion, intimidation and force are the tools of religion. Example Hell

You are not being realistic.

Although you have a point that many sins were committed and tolerated during a time when Christianity was strong, you should not blame Christianity.

You should see it as human nature and man's less noble passions overpowering Biblical teachings.

Now that our society has mostly eliminated or controlled the evils of slavery and etcetera, a healthy Christian influence in America could be a great thing to also eliminate and control the current virus of hatred and bullshit in society without the law being the first, last and only social arbiter.

People who believe they hate Christianity are also being sold the idea that the Christianity practiced by misguided Christians in the past is the same as that practiced today.

In the days and weeks to come, keep an eye on the efforts by the State to get us to adopt a Government proscribed morality.

And know that it is their attempt to benefit from the good things about Christianity and to be in control of it.

And what does THAT tell us?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

david, do you make a distinction between religion and spirituality?

I know it's a little buzzwordy and simplistic, but we could elaborate if anyone cared to.

 

[Grokmaster]

Please do explain how not being religious leads to war and divide ignoramus.

EVERY WAR STARTED BY COMMUNISTS...and then , there's the HUNDRED+ MILLIONS OF THEIR OWN CITIZENS COMMUNISTS HAVE KILLED...IN PEACETIME.

NO BIGGER EXAMPLE OF THE FAILUR EOF ATHEIST NATIONS THAN THE FORMER USSR, RED CHINA, LAOS (under the Pathet Lao) , CAMBODIA (under the Khmer Rouge), NORTH KOREA, ETC., ETC.

 

[RB 60]

At op,

People like to join things. Sometimes verifiably false facts are used to gauge devotion.

I think it's disgusting and choose to be a member of as few things as possible. I abhorre collectivism and rate only one lie worse than argumentum ad populum.

But, i'd be a member of something if i devoted myself to the above. Thusly, ijdgaf.

Then one must assume you have no friends...

 

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

EVERY WAR STARTED BY COMMUNISTS...and then , there's the HUNDRED+ MILLIONS OF THEIR OWN CITIZENS COMMUNISTS HAVE KILLED...IN PEACETIME.

NO BIGGER EXAMPLE OF THE FAILUR EOF ATHEIST NATIONS THAN THE FORMER USSR, RED CHINA, LAOS (under the Pathet Lao) , CAMBODIA (under the Khmer Rouge), NORTH KOREA, ETC., ETC.

Oh so you just ignore explaining how not being religious leads to war and divide. Being religious leads to war and divide because lies lead to war and divide now you go right ahead and explain how not being religious leads to war and divide. I look forward to your non answer because you have not even so much as a shred of validity

 

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

You see, they try and make not being religious a cause to leading to war and divide yet have no explanation how not being religious leads to war and divide, no instead they try and make communism out to be the issue of which that still doesn't explain how not being religious is the cause of war and divide.

 

[RB 60]

LOL, people who makes these types of statement forget about slavery and the treatment of the Indigenous people, the Chinese immigrants and Irish Catholics.

Fear, coercion, intimidation and force are the tools of religion. Example Hell

No one forgets about slavery. Slavery was a normal part of life in biblical times right up until the American Civil War.

No one is forcing you to believe anything. Are we who have spiritual beliefs forcing you to believe what we do?

Fear, coercion, intimidation and force are the tools of people like you who despise those of us with spiritual beliefs.
Look no further than this forum. How many "hate Christians" threads are there compared to those supporting Christianity?
Care to show us?