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300 NY cops rake in over 22 million in salary, but aren't allowed to do their job

The NYPD keeps 300 cops on the payroll at an annual cost to taxpayers of $22 million, though police brass don't trust them enough to give them guns or badges, The Post has learned.

Hundreds of officers, detectives and supervisors who have killed or assaulted people, violated civil rights, beat up their wives or girlfriends, driven drunk or hurt bystanders languish on modified duty -- including one who's been sidelined for 12 years -- while still being paid their full salaries.

These officers have been cleared of crimes or never charged, and the NYPD has opted not to fire them.

Without their weapons, the mothballed cops are prohibited from fighting crime or responding to emergencies.

Instead they do menial tasks that could be handled by civilians at a third of the cost.

Among those who have kept their cushy salaries are three officers who fatally shot Sean Bell and a patrolman who fired five rounds at Amadou Diallo.

The Diallo cop, Kenneth Boss, has been without a gun for 12 years but keeps his annual pay of $104,526, according to public records. Since 1999, he has collected more than $1 million. He and three other cops involved in the 1999 shooting were cleared of criminal and departmental charges, but the others quit or retired.

"It's like the NYPD Gulag Archipelago," said Rae Kohetz, the department's commissioner for disciplinary hearings from 1988 to 2001 who now represents some modified-duty cops.

Eugene O'Donnell, a John Jay College professor, former cop and prosecutor, said, "We probably have a small-city-sized department of people who get paid and don't do police work."

The situation has alarmed City Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. "With the Police Department facing even more cuts, any allegation of waste is a concern," he said.

Diallo's mother, Kadiatou Diallo, decried the arrangement.

"We need changes," she said. "Why does this individual [Boss] remain a police officer?"

City law allows Commissioner Ray Kelly to modify the assignment of any cop found to be acting against the "best interests" of the department.

Kelly can suspend an officer without pay for up to 30 days. After that, civil-service laws force the department to put the cop back to work, with full pay.

If a cop has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing and violating police rules -- an expensive and slow process -- he can't be fired without the city risking a huge lawsuit.

The NYPD has placed cops on modified duty 1,502 times since 2007, according to NYPD data obtained by The Post.

The majority of modified-duty officers are shipped to city housing projects and sit in dark, dingy rooms gazing at security monitors in a program called VIPER, or Video Interactive Patrol Enhancement Response. They are not allowed to access computers or interact with the public.

If they see something, they're told to call 911.[/QUOTE]


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Now compare these costs to the corporate subsidies we give to say OIL cos and tell me how they compare?

It could all be solved by either charging these people or putting them back in their old positions.

Not a real big deal huh?
 
Now compare these costs to the corporate subsidies we give to say OIL cos and tell me how they compare?
your first problem is you're trying to compare one citys singular financial waste to a federal subsidy. there is no comparison. The second thing you're missing is the shortfall in education in NYC could be completely covered by not having 300 anchors around your PDs neck.

It could all be solved by either charging these people or putting them back in their old positions.
you'll rarely see charges because of a) union protection, b) good ole boy network (DAs rarely charge cops even for blatant crimes), and c) according to the article, the reason they are not in their old positions is the liability in lawsuits against the city.
 
Now compare these costs to the corporate subsidies we give to say OIL cos and tell me how they compare?

It could all be solved by either charging these people or putting them back in their old positions.

Not a real big deal huh?
Thanks desh....that sure clears it up...puts it all into perspective...:palm::fu::palm:....you nitwit.
 
LOL the deshrubinator counters with a jab to big oil. A total non-sequitur. Man, the phrase libtard really doesn't come close to describing this nit wit
 
On the subject:

Unions suck. Public unions are twice as bad. The braindead leftists like evince are too far gone down the propaganda hole to ever be lifted out. You can't change the mind of the religious. Union people believe their union is responsible for their job. It's the customers who are responsible for anyone's job continuing to exist. Public unions have the PUBLIC as their customer, but since the customer can not find another place for the service, the unions abuse their position and drive the costs where no sane person would in the PRIVATE sector because the private sector person knows the customers will go elsewhere-- a concern public employees don't worry about-- I bet they laugh about it
 
300 NY cops rake in over 22 million in salary, but aren't allowed to do their job

The NYPD keeps 300 cops on the payroll at an annual cost to taxpayers of $22 million, though police brass don't trust them enough to give them guns or badges, The Post has learned.

Hundreds of officers, detectives and supervisors who have killed or assaulted people, violated civil rights, beat up their wives or girlfriends, driven drunk or hurt bystanders languish on modified duty -- including one who's been sidelined for 12 years -- while still being paid their full salaries.

These officers have been cleared of crimes or never charged, and the NYPD has opted not to fire them.

Without their weapons, the mothballed cops are prohibited from fighting crime or responding to emergencies.

Instead they do menial tasks that could be handled by civilians at a third of the cost.

Among those who have kept their cushy salaries are three officers who fatally shot Sean Bell and a patrolman who fired five rounds at Amadou Diallo.

The Diallo cop, Kenneth Boss, has been without a gun for 12 years but keeps his annual pay of $104,526, according to public records. Since 1999, he has collected more than $1 million. He and three other cops involved in the 1999 shooting were cleared of criminal and departmental charges, but the others quit or retired.

"It's like the NYPD Gulag Archipelago," said Rae Kohetz, the department's commissioner for disciplinary hearings from 1988 to 2001 who now represents some modified-duty cops.

Eugene O'Donnell, a John Jay College professor, former cop and prosecutor, said, "We probably have a small-city-sized department of people who get paid and don't do police work."

The situation has alarmed City Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. "With the Police Department facing even more cuts, any allegation of waste is a concern," he said.

Diallo's mother, Kadiatou Diallo, decried the arrangement.

"We need changes," she said. "Why does this individual [Boss] remain a police officer?"

City law allows Commissioner Ray Kelly to modify the assignment of any cop found to be acting against the "best interests" of the department.

Kelly can suspend an officer without pay for up to 30 days. After that, civil-service laws force the department to put the cop back to work, with full pay.

If a cop has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing and violating police rules -- an expensive and slow process -- he can't be fired without the city risking a huge lawsuit.

The NYPD has placed cops on modified duty 1,502 times since 2007, according to NYPD data obtained by The Post.

The majority of modified-duty officers are shipped to city housing projects and sit in dark, dingy rooms gazing at security monitors in a program called VIPER, or Video Interactive Patrol Enhancement Response. They are not allowed to access computers or interact with the public.

If they see something, they're told to call 911.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...ke_it_in_EMeVwxuQ88iHPN4LgCyf5O#ixzz1HFwa37CZ[/QUOTE]

Why are you blaming the union? The officers have not been charged with a crime so it is the Police Department that does not want them to work.

This is a perfect example why unions are necessary.
 

Why are you blaming the union? The officers have not been charged with a crime so it is the Police Department that does not want them to work.

This is a perfect example why unions are necessary.[/QUOTE]

Are you really that stupid? Union rules prevent them from being fired like any person in the private sector would be. And it said they were charged with crimes. You can't fricken read.
 
being cleared of a charge implies that you were first charged with a crime. You can't be cleared of a crime if you were'nt charged with a crime.

learn some logic, libtard
 
Why are you blaming the union? The officers have not been charged with a crime so it is the Police Department that does not want them to work.

This is a perfect example why unions are necessary.

why wouldn't the police department not want them to work? why would they be denied the opportunity to do their job, but instead be told to call 911 if they see crimes being committed? why would police have no arrest powers?

It's because of union protection, period. So in order to protect the city from liability for their continued misconduct, they are prohibited from doing their jobs, put in positions where they are restricted from interacting with most of the public, and having no arrest powers.

why should that be?
 
Why are you blaming the union? The officers have not been charged with a crime so it is the Police Department that does not want them to work.

This is a perfect example why unions are necessary.

Are you really that stupid? Union rules prevent them from being fired like any person in the private sector would be. And it said they were charged with crimes. You can't fricken read.[/QUOTE]

Pardon me. They have not been convicted of a crime. Who gives a damn about being charged? Anyone can be charged with anything.

As for the private sector they have unions, too, in case you didn't know. And I've been on both sides of the fence, union worker and a supervisor of unionized personnel.

I always remember people telling me how difficult it would be to supervise public service personnel. I had no problem, whatsoever. Treat the employee with respect and that's how they'll treat you.

Try to grasp the fact management does not give a damn about people.
 
being cleared of a charge implies that you were first charged with a crime. . You can't be cleared of a crime if you were'nt charged with a crime.

learn some logic, libtard

Alriight, all ready. So they were charged. Big deal! The important thing is they were cleared. Not convicted. Got it? Or do you treat your employees based on rumor and gossip? (I know. Silly question. Of course you do otherwise you wouldn't write such garbage.)
 
why wouldn't the police department not want them to work? why would they be denied the opportunity to do their job, but instead be told to call 911 if they see crimes being committed? why would police have no arrest powers?

It's because of union protection, period. So in order to protect the city from liability for their continued misconduct, they are prohibited from doing their jobs, put in positions where they are restricted from interacting with most of the public, and having no arrest powers.

why should that be?

It's the union protecting their job. If they did something wrong then convict them or STFU and put them back to work.
 
tinfoil; said:
Are you really that stupid? Union rules prevent them from being fired like any person in the private sector would be. And it said they were charged with crimes. You can't fricken read.

Pardon me. They have not been convicted of a crime. Who gives a damn about being charged? Anyone can be charged with anything.

As for the private sector they have unions, too, in case you didn't know. And I've been on both sides of the fence, union worker and a supervisor of unionized personnel.

I always remember people telling me how difficult it would be to supervise public service personnel. I had no problem, whatsoever. Treat the employee with respect and that's how they'll treat you.

Try to grasp the fact management does not give a damn about people.

You stated they were not charged with crimes.
No, not anybodt can be charged with a crime. It's illegal to press false charges. There were good reasons to have charges agaisnt police. It's the wall of blue that dismisses the charges and keeps their fellow thugs getting a paycheck.

You bootlickers are the worst kind of people. You allow your country to be raped by thugs.
 
You stated they were not charged with crimes.
No, not anybodt can be charged with a crime. It's illegal to press false charges. There were good reasons to have charges agaisnt police. It's the wall of blue that dismisses the charges and keeps their fellow thugs getting a paycheck.

You bootlickers are the worst kind of people. You allow your country to be raped by thugs.

Smarter Than You wrote in msg #1, "If a cop has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing and violating police rules -- an expensive and slow process -- he can't be fired without the city risking a huge lawsuit."

Isn't that what justice is all about? Or do we fire people for any reason?

If they have been cleared of any wrongdoing then put them back to work. What type of craziness would we have if the policy was "We can't prove any wrongdoing but we're going to fire you anyway."
 
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