Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Just a reminder of what Dump and company were doing during the California fires. Kudos to Mr. Lieu for speaking truth to power:
www.youtube.com/shorts/LBYt17RQlO4
www.youtube.com/shorts/LBYt17RQlO4
How to stop Maga BS.
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T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
What? That guy was on a rant.
He starts off with an irrelevant appeal to authority fallacy and then launches into a series of non sequiturs attacking whoever he's talking to. The guy's line of reasoning was basically irrelevant up his demanding people in California affected by those wildfires get "unconditional help." Lieu never in that video gets to any actual factual point that follows to any sort of conclusion. It's just a string of non sequiturs.
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
Mention "the chronology of the posts" quick, before Chai Latte Liberal does. That means you win!
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
You're projecting again, T.A. Your revisionist rant borders on drunken delusion given what was asked, answered and then explained. Any fool who has access to a newspaper, television or radio and listens to sources outside of Murdoch media or Maga megaphones knows what Leiu says is true.
Willfully ignorant parrots like yourself NEVER do honest, objective fact check on a subject. So as hope springs eternal, I'll do your homework for you and present valid, documented evidence that is general knowledge of that Leiu couches his statements to:
www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/science/explainers/how-santa-ana-winds-fuelled-the-deadly-fires-in-southern-california
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
It's only a "rant" when a (D) does it, esp. if he/she speaks truth. Otherwise, it's "a strong forceful speech." 
It's only a "rant" when a (D) does it, esp. if he/she speaks truth. Otherwise, it's "a strong forceful speech."
countryboy
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What are you on about, Tackyliberal?
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Then let's go through this again.
Lieu starts off asking the witnesses if they are firefighters. This an irrelevant appeal to authority fallacy. Then he uses the same appeal to authority to say the fires and their scope, spread, and intensity were due to a single cause, the high Santa Ana wind speeds. This is cherry picking. He then makes a fallacy fallacy in claiming that the humidity was the "lowest in California history." If we go by annual rainfall, that would be 2013.
Average Precipitation in California by Year
www.extremeweatherwatch.com
In 2024 California got above average rainfall of 26.1 inches. Instead of low humidity, it is far more likely that heavy brush load, inability to clear brush and other mitigation efforts, due in good part to laws, regulations, and the California Coastal Commission led to conditions that exacerbated the fire and its spread.
He then uses a non sequitur in saying that it wasn't regulations or some other thing the state or local government did or didn't do (he gives an oblique list of these) had nothing to do with the fire. This amounts to a fallacy fallacy in and of itself. That is, his conclusion is drawn from an existing fallacy.
He then launches into an appeal to pity to demand unequivocal disaster relief for victims of these fires. From there he circles around to implying that California climate change policy had nothing to do with the fires which is also clearly fallacious.
So, go ahead, defend Lieu's rant.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
You have bad habit of wasting time and effort to elaborate on your supposition and conjecture in order to try and make it as valid as a fact.Then let's go through this again.
Lieu starts off asking the witnesses if they are firefighters. This an irrelevant appeal to authority fallacy. Then he uses the same appeal to authority to say the fires and their scope, spread, and intensity were due to a single cause, the high Santa Ana wind speeds. This is cherry picking. He then makes a fallacy fallacy in claiming that the humidity was the "lowest in California history." If we go by annual rainfall, that would be 2013.
Average Precipitation in California by Year
In 2024 California got above average rainfall of 26.1 inches. Instead of low humidity, it is far more likely that heavy brush load, inability to clear brush and other mitigation efforts, due in good part to laws, regulations, and the California Coastal Commission led to conditions that exacerbated the fire and its spread.
He then uses a non sequitur in saying that it wasn't regulations or some other thing the state or local government did or didn't do (he gives an oblique list of these) had nothing to do with the fire. This amounts to a fallacy fallacy in and of itself. That is, his conclusion is drawn from an existing fallacy.
He then launches into an appeal to pity to demand unequivocal disaster relief for victims of these fires. From there he circles around to implying that California climate change policy had nothing to do with the fires which is also clearly fallacious.
So, go ahead, defend Lieu's rant.
Once again, let me school you on what's going on in order to divorce you of this erroneous mindset of yours.
1. Anyone who is familiar with the whole subject over the last month knows that the Dump administration has been pushing the narrative that incompetent "DEI" hires were mainly responsible for the widespread intensity and devastation caused by the fires. THAT is why Lieu was asking a simple question to the MAGA stooges before him. And he rightly pointed out that while they and he are NOT firefighters, he did his due diligence and spoke with the firefighters on the scene/directly dealing with the situation. What he generally related is what I verified via the link I provided. All this has been in the news arena for WEEKS.
2. As it's painfully obvious, you AVOIDED THE INFORMATION IN THE LINK I PROVIDED to double down on some convoluted BS that only appeals to the hear/see/speak no evil Maga monkeys in Congress and in the right wing media sphere. FACTS are something folk like you are not keen on.
Now, you can either concede a point or remain willfully ignorant as you parrot the SOS. But the chronology of the posts will always be your undoing.
Tobytone
Verified User
Talk about complete stupidity, that fool is one of the dumbest assholes in all of Congress, well he does have a lot of company. You morons are completely blind to the fraud and theft the libtards are doing daily even after it's completely exposed. Now again you're not understanding how water helps reduce fire damage and can even put fires out. Can you say SIMPLETONS.
Libtards have run things into the ground in LA and when it burned to the ground so many things were not ready, hundreds of trucks were out of service, reservoirs were empty, money sucked from the residents wallets to build more reservoirs just disappears and not one was built, hydrants didn't work, Mayor was out of country partying, but don't worry, DEI was well funded.
Yet, you create this moronic post as if anyone complaining is out of line. What an absolute dipshit.
Show your work. What lefty theft was exposed?
Trucks were out of service because the budget was not there. However if you ever saw a fire being fought ,there are multiple fire trucks at them. That is at every house. With the area and number of homes destroyed, you can see the trucks were not going to save anything. The reservoirs are filled by rain. How many hydrants did they need? Maybe millions? None of your crying was relevant. None of it would have changed a thing.
Tobytone
Verified User
What a complete asshole, the budget wasn't there, huh. I wonder if the massive increases in salaries and a ridiculous fraudulent DEI budget might have fixed a few trucks. And rain fills the reservoirs, how smart are you? Huh, rain is one way, very good.
Did you know they make pumps that deliver groundwater up from the depths?
Did you know they also use tankers to fill reservoirs (they did that as the fires were burning. Maybe a smidge late
Did you know they use tankers when needed?
Did you know that many reservoirs are in terrible condition and can't hold water for shit?
Did you know that if hydrants worked many, many homes would still be there?
Did you know that people saved their home and their neighbors with pool water and garden hoses?
Did you know that CA has had much worse drought conditions?
Did you know that before libtards took over every corner of government they actually made sure reservoirs were full?
Do you know that two years ago they approved nearly $1 billion to build more reservoirs and they won't even start until 2026 and not get finished until 2032?
Did you know that how many homes, ya know people's homes with everything they had, priceless memories and collectibles, etc. could have been saved if libtards hadn't squandered so much money? I don't but I guarantee every house saved would've been a big fing deal. Did you know they couldn't afford to fix a shitload of trucks and weren't able to hire enough firefighters to meet their goals.
Did you know that the incompetent Marxist Mayor has still not done what she promised while Trump was there, and allowed the people that supposedly own their homes on their property? She admitted to having the power and said it would be no more than a week. The morons in charge are only doing what will keep the dumb citizens safe. Isn't that nice?
Did you know I could keep listing stupid shit libtard in charge completely screwed up?
lol reminds me of that stupid 'talking point' re Ted Cruz, as if he was supposed to be out there climbing poles during the winter power outages or something, but yet they never posted any pieces of any Democrats doing so. They know, and everybody else knows, who is mainly responsible for these fire storms, and they need to keep attention away from themselves.
They dream up these idiot narratives because they themselves never do squat about anything except whine, just like the King of Jordan said about those fake 'palestinians' who were swarming into Jordan after the Arabs tried to kill all the Jews; hardly any of them signed up for the Army to go fight, they just sat around sniveling about how the other Arabs weren't doing enough to help them n stuff, same as they do now.
They dream up these idiot narratives because they themselves never do squat about anything except whine, just like the King of Jordan said about those fake 'palestinians' who were swarming into Jordan after the Arabs tried to kill all the Jews; hardly any of them signed up for the Army to go fight, they just sat around sniveling about how the other Arabs weren't doing enough to help them n stuff, same as they do now.
serenity
Verified User
Make sure your reality isn't as incomplete as those you target as inaccurate to truth to power.
Which power is your thruth following? Suggestions life isn't self evident biological sovereignty by chromosomes combined into ancestral position inhabiting space with today?
You ever think genetics actually does eternally separate the population by the numbers left alive today simply by the common time of adapting to the moment here since a fertilized cell never stays its original form since conception?
Every generation gap individual ancestor is a half life result from their previous 30 ancestors separated in 16 great great grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 4 grandparents, 2 parents that lived over the last 100 to 150 years so far?
End results of reproductions added is each great great grandchild born one at a time being a physical 31st parallel of ever changing lifetimes present.
7,000 years of recorded history and not one society has ever been honest about this sequence of events sustaining 8.13 billion humans alive each rotation here now.
Accountability demanded, accountability delivered and it is 100% accurate regardless the realities saying it isn't truth to power of what people chose to believe last 7,000 years. 350 generations of governed by corruption misleading ancestries daily and nobody cared enough to stop it except me. And I figured out a way to communicate brain to brain without getting in everyone's face since I am outnumbered 8.13 billion to one.
I discovered humanity's original sin. Self deception.
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