How we judge Presidents!

[Jarod]

Rush was in rare form today.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

no one would have known if it failed

it would have simply been another mission in pakistan...no one would know the target

Ehhh, I don't know about that. If the mission had failed in Pakistan airspace then everyone would have known and it would have been an major international diplomatic incident. Had the mission failed in Afghan airspace, then yes, no one would have heard about it.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The biggest factor in President Obama's reelection is who the Republicans nominate.

If the nominate a Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich type they are screwed.

If they nominate a Pawlente, Romney, Huntsman type, they have a chance.....

and a good chance to if the economy continues as it is.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Ehhh, I don't know about that. If the mission had failed in Pakistan airspace then everyone would have known and it would have been an major international diplomatic incident. Had the mission failed in Afghan airspace, then yes, no one would have heard about it.

Yeah, see, you just need to re-read Yurtard's post slowly.

When he said

no one would have known if it failed

it would have simply been another mission in pakistan...no one would know the target

He didn't mean

no one would have known if it failed

it would have simply been another mission in pakistan...no one would know the target

He meant

so pakistan would just admit they knew all along osama lived there...and i never said they wouldn't know it was the US...read my post again, slowly

See?

 

[NOVA]

Did you analyze what you posted here ?

Here's what a traitor does to get elected...Who is this traitor ? Carter ?
A member of the Republican Party, William Casey directed the presidential campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980. During the campaign Casey was informed that Jimmy Carter was attempting to negotiate a deal with Iran to get the American hostages released. This was disastrous news for the Reagan campaign. If Carter got the hostages out before the election, the public perception of the man might change and he might be elected for a second-term.
Negotiating a deal is not, in itself, a bad thing...but is dependent on the details...Iran was obviously an enemy of the US

According to Barbara Honegger, a researcher and policy analyst with the 1980 Reagan/Bush campaign, William Casey and other representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections. Reagan’s aides promised that they would get a better deal if they waited until Carter was defeated.
What better deal ? A claim like that, without explanation, is not to be taken seriously.....What was this imaginary deal ? so I repeat, Negotiating a deal is not, in itself, a bad thing...but is dependent on the details...Iran was obviously an enemy of the US


On 22nd September, 1980, Iraq invaded Iran. The Iranian government was now in desperate need of spare parts and equipment for its armed forces. Jimmy Carter now proposed that the US would be willing to hand over supplies in return for the hostages.

If a deal for spare parts was offered by Carter...that doesn't make him a traitor, but does show ignorance and stupidity to me....Traitor is a strong word, not to be used in a flippant manner..
Remember....over 400 lives were at risk.....lives for spare parts might seem very reasonable to some....

Once again, the Central Intelligence Agency leaked this information to Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. This attempted deal was also passed to the media. On 11th October, the Washington Post reported rumors of a “secret deal that would see the hostages released in exchange for the American made military spare parts Iran needs to continue its fight against Iraq”.
Yeah, I can understand why it was to be SECRET....the public were never agree to this kind of arrangement and they would be right....

A couple of days before the election Barry Goldwater was reported as saying that he had information that “two air force C-5 transports were being loaded with spare parts for Iran”. This was not true. However, this publicity had made it impossible for Carter to do a deal. Ronald Reagan on the other hand, had promised the Iranian government that he would arrange for them to get all the arms they needed in exchange for the hostages..."

Iran was considered an enemy of the US at the time...supplying them spare parts to kill Iraqi while they held our citizens hostage is not in the best interest of the US

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcaseyW.htm

the difference is Fonda wasn't running for president. If you don't believe this look at the exact time and date the hostages were released, and think about a presidential candidate negotiating with the enemy for political gain. Good news from the graveyard, Reagan and bin Laden are still dead.

So if anyone might be considered a traitor it is Carter, making war material available to an enemy...but I would never go that far....Carter may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I would not question his patriotism....

 

[Bfgrn]

Kinda like the outpouring of defense for John Kerry for meeting with the Viet Cong and negoiating with the enemy in the middle of a hot war....while out troops were fighting and dieing....
some of you pinheads still, even today, only show little or mild misgivings about traitors like Jane Fonda and her ilk....

We know all about the double standards and selective memory of the lefties over the years.....

You forgot to include the 'song bird' John McCain.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yeah, see, you just need to re-read Yurtard's post slowly.

When he said



He didn't mean



He meant



See?

nothing i said is contradictory retard....like i said and you obsessively copied (which you claim is stalking) is that it would have been known as another mission....but the TARGET (osama) would not have been known as obama's admin kept it close to their chest.....apparently you're too dumb to know the difference between target and location

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Ehhh, I don't know about that. If the mission had failed in Pakistan airspace then everyone would have known and it would have been an major international diplomatic incident. Had the mission failed in Afghan airspace, then yes, no one would have heard about it.

read what i said again mott....

it would have simply been another mission in pakistan...no one would know the target

yes....they would know about the mission.....NOT the target....do you understand now? very few people knew the target, pakistan did not know and we likely would not tell them...and contrary to epic's ignorant comment about the helicopter being at osama's house....do you really agree with epic that pakistan would admit publicly that we went after osama and failed....that would of course mean they are admitting they are harboring him. please...don't be as dumb as epic.

 

[Bfgrn]

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

it always amazes me how hackish people can be....at the time they were not our enemies, in fact....they were NOTHING like the taliban tribal group that took over in 1995

your ignorance is once again noted

 

[Crashk]

So if anyone might be considered a traitor it is Carter, making war material available to an enemy...but I would never go that far....Carter may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I would not question his patriotism....

the point here, block head, is that reagan was a private citizen, not president when he overstepped his authority, offered bribes and secretly negotiated to keep the hostages longer for his own political gain.

 

[Bfgrn]

it always amazes me how hackish people can be....at the time they were not our enemies, in fact....they were NOTHING like the taliban tribal group that took over in 1995

your ignorance is once again noted

Yurt, you are either a lying sack of shit or a moron, which is it?

It was back in 1985 that Reagan hosted Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, then a key Mujahadin leader (and major Islamo-fascist, as some might call him), at the White House. (Hekmatyar is in the foreground on the far left in the photo.)

Hekmatyar, who, among other things, has voiced his admiration for Osama bin Laden, is now one of the trio of key warlords — they also include the Taliban’s Mullah Mohammed Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani — who have been named as Public Enemies Number One by the Pentagon in Afghanistan.........

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yurt, you are either a lying sack of shit or a moron, which is it?

It was back in 1985 that Reagan hosted Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, then a key Mujahadin leader (and major Islamo-fascist, as some might call him), at the White House. (Hekmatyar is in the foreground on the far left in the photo.)

Hekmatyar, who, among other things, has voiced his admiration for Osama bin Laden, is now one of the trio of key warlords — they also include the Taliban’s Mullah Mohammed Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani — who have been named as Public Enemies Number One by the Pentagon in Afghanistan.........

a simple wiki look would have saved you from looking like a moron once AGAIN....

you have no clue what you're talking about....the group above did not have the same ideology as the group who later took over....further...it is understood that osama did not go radical until the early 90's or very late 80's....

you need pull your head out of your ass and stop being a partisan hack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

 

[christiefan915]

Kinda like the outpouring of defense for John Kerry for meeting with the Viet Cong and negoiating with the enemy in the middle of a hot war....while out troops were fighting and dieing....
some of you pinheads still, even today, only show little or mild misgivings about traitors like Jane Fonda and her ilk....

We know all about the double standards and selective memory of the lefties over the years.....

Disgusting. You and your swift boat cronies are the scum of the earth.

I'll bet you weren't screaming about negotiating with the enemy when your messiah reagan was selling arms to Iran to fund the contras.

 

[christiefan915]

Here's what a traitor does to get elected...
A member of the Republican Party, William Casey directed the presidential campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980. During the campaign Casey was informed that Jimmy Carter was attempting to negotiate a deal with Iran to get the American hostages released. This was disastrous news for the Reagan campaign. If Carter got the hostages out before the election, the public perception of the man might change and he might be elected for a second-term.

According to Barbara Honegger, a researcher and policy analyst with the 1980 Reagan/Bush campaign, William Casey and other representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections. Reagan’s aides promised that they would get a better deal if they waited until Carter was defeated.

On 22nd September, 1980, Iraq invaded Iran. The Iranian government was now in desperate need of spare parts and equipment for its armed forces. Jimmy Carter now proposed that the US would be willing to hand over supplies in return for the hostages.

Once again, the Central Intelligence Agency leaked this information to Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. This attempted deal was also passed to the media. On 11th October, the Washington Post reported rumors of a “secret deal that would see the hostages released in exchange for the American made military spare parts Iran needs to continue its fight against Iraq”.

A couple of days before the election Barry Goldwater was reported as saying that he had information that “two air force C-5 transports were being loaded with spare parts for Iran”. This was not true. However, this publicity had made it impossible for Carter to do a deal. Ronald Reagan on the other hand, had promised the Iranian government that he would arrange for them to get all the arms they needed in exchange for the hostages..."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcaseyW.htm

the difference is Fonda wasn't running for president. If you don't believe this look at the exact time and date the hostages were released, and think about a presidential candidate negotiating with the enemy for political gain. Good news from the graveyard, Reagan and bin Laden are still dead.

 

[Bfgrn]

Disgusting. You and your swift boat cronies are the scum of the earth.

I'll bet you weren't screaming about negotiating with the enemy when your messiah reagan was selling arms to Iran to fund the contras.

Or helping Saddam kill thousands...

I think it’s just crazy. It's part of that worldview that led us to where we are. Think about it. The United States went and negotiated with and supported Saddam Hussein himself against Iran under this notion that sometimes my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That emboldened Saddam Hussein and allowed him to invade Kuwait. It made us go to war that we did not finish and did not take Saddam Hussein out.
Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) 12/11/06 (The Hill)

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

and all the while bfgrn and christie ignore obama dealing with pakistan and saying mubarak is a symbol of freedom in the region

to play this hack game is ridiculous...sometimes administrations have to play nice with the enemy....and you guys ignore the fact that people change. not one of you criticized obama's admin extolling mubarak's value in the near past....

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Disgusting. You and your swift boat cronies are the scum of the earth.

I'll bet you weren't screaming about negotiating with the enemy when your messiah reagan was selling arms to Iran to fund the contras.

while not necessarily appropriate....comparing that to talking with the enemy during a war is false comparison.

and yet another "they did it too" from christie....you don't have any ground to whine about anyone else using that....mmmmkay

 

[NOVA]

the point here, block head, is that reagan was a private citizen, not president when he overstepped his authority, offered bribes and secretly negotiated to keep the hostages longer for his own political gain.

Maybe it was to keep Carter from becoming a traitor by dealing war material to an enemy....
The bullshit about bribes and secret negotiations is just so much nonsense....but its not unexpected.....
We're getting accustomed to revisionist history but you're taking it to new extremes....

 

[NOVA]

Or helping Saddam kill thousands...

I think it’s just crazy. It's part of that worldview that led us to where we are. Think about it. The United States went and negotiated with and supported Saddam Hussein himself against Iran under this notion that sometimes my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That emboldened Saddam Hussein and allowed him to invade Kuwait. It made us go to war that we did not finish and did not take Saddam Hussein out.
Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) 12/11/06 (The Hill)

Thats quite funny....is Tom DeLay your new hero and source for the facts...???? What a fuckin' hack....

Mustard and nerve gas used against Iran....is this the "better" deal Reagan is supposed to have made with Iran to keep the hostages?

Do you know how damn stupid your views are? and contradictory,? and just plain illogical to normal people ?