APP - 'How White People Got Made'

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'This is no accident, no coincidence, because the making of black and white was the making of the world we know now.'

The hard question for me is how and why white people allow themselves to be so obsessed with race to the point it can be used to manipulate them, control them, keep them unaware? Full disclosure. DNA says I am east and west European, northern areas, with a bit of Scot Wales and Irish thrown in. Jeez and I thought I was American. Maybe in a thousand years we'll have American DNA. Race is a recent trait in the long history of evolution. But humans make distinctions based on anything and the anythings control them.

It turns out white people are their own worst enemy. Harsh statement, I don't think so for as they gleefully cheer Trump's often racist remarks the rich grow in power and control. You doubt? Consider his only accomplishments, more money for the wealthy, himself included, less regulation for the corporations, and judges who side with both. See any 'great' healthcare or 'cheap medicine? Meanwhile many of the working class cheer and relish a vote to put another dagger in themselves.

Trump rallies are the most interesting aspect of white self immolation, Trump lies, plays himself up, plays up the economy, lies some more, makes stuff up, promises greatness, they cheer, he name calls, they cheer, he points fingers. Do they see? Do they hear? He goes golfing. They get hats. Is this simply hero worship, their latest savior? The show is about him, he cares nada for them given his past history, but they play along, clapping, cheering, and laughing. They could be automatons. What a great release, a tribal dance, a show for a man who is hardly an exemplar of American values.

'There’s a perception that whiteness is working for white people. It’s not. Whiteness is one of the biggest and most long-running scams ever perpetrated.'

Reading assignment and quotes are from: https://medium.com/message/how-white-people-got-made-6eeb076ade42

"The great thing about the divide-and-conquer of creating white-skin privilege is that you don’t have to give people thusly bought off anything more, and American power structures didn’t. In places with black slavery, the whites suffered terribly." (See too Isenberg's history and Lopez's)


"There is not one gene, trait, or characteristic that distinguishes all members of one race from all members of another. We can map any number of traits and none would match our idea of race. This is because modern humans haven't been around long enough to evolve into different subspecies and we've always moved, mated, and mixed our genes. Beneath the skin, we are one of the most genetically similar of all species." https://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-11.htm

"In the era of Donald Trump, many lower- and middle-class white Americans are drawn to politicians who pledge to make their lives great again. But as Dying of Whiteness shows, the policies that result actually place white Americans at ever-greater risk of sickness and death.'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40697553-dying-of-whiteness


"I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain." James A. Baldwin

Further study:

'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Isenberg
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27209433-white-trash

'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney López
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17847530-dog-whistle-politics

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"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

"And then we got down one day to the point- that was the second or third day - to talk about where they lived, and how much they were earning. And when those brothers told me what they were earning, I said, “Now, you know what? You ought to be marching with us. You’re just as poor as Negroes.” And I said, “You are put in the position of supporting your oppressor, because, through prejudice and blindness, you fail to see that the same forces that oppress Negroes in American society oppress poor white people. And all you are living on is the satisfaction of your skin being white, and the drum major instinct of thinking that you are somebody big because you are white. And you’re so poor you can’t send your children to school. You ought to be out here marching with every one of us every time we have a march....Now that’s a fact. That the poor white has been put into this position, where through blindness and prejudice, he is forced to support his oppressors. And the only thing he has going for him is the false feeling that he’s superior because his skin is white—and can’t hardly eat and make his ends meet week in and week out.” Martin Luther King

http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump/

"Historian Phillips-Fein traces the hidden history of the Reagan revolution to a coterie of business executives, including General Electric official and Reagan mentor Lemuel Boulware, who saw labor unions, government regulation, high taxes and welfare spending as dire threats to their profits and power. From the 1930s onward, the author argues, they provided the money, organization and fervor for a decades-long war against New Deal liberalism—funding campaigns, think tanks, magazines and lobbying groups, and indoctrinating employees in the virtues of unfettered capitalism." https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
 
I won't defend Trump for his demagoguery, racist propaganda, mental handicaps, or policies that destroy the working-class while making the rich even richer.

However, can you really blame white people for supporting Trump when you see how anti-white the Democrats have become? We can talk about how the concept of whiteness came to be, but the fact is that today white people as a community and identity exist. And when we see a political party, media, academia, and a culture that is anti-white, we go into survival mode. We become susceptible to supporting the guy who promises to build a wall and deport illegals, which will at least keep Whites as the majority, thus keeping us safe from being persecuted like in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

This is one of the reasons I'm an Ethnic Nationalist. As long as we have multiracialism, we'll have terrible people on both sides who take advantage of the situation. Right now we have Democrats who suck up to non-white voters by demonizing white people and we have Republicans who appear to protect white people while really just bringing us closer to Fascism.
 
'This is no accident, no coincidence, because the making of black and white was the making of the world we know now.'

The hard question for me is how and why white people allow themselves to be so obsessed with race to the point it can be used to manipulate them, control them, keep them unaware?
You could substitute white for most any race and ask that same question couldn't you?
And that's quite the generalization, "white people allow themselves to be so obsessed with race". I happen to be white but I didn't know I was obsessed with race.
 
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I won't defend Trump for his demagoguery, racist propaganda, mental handicaps, or policies that destroy the working-class while making the rich even richer.

However, can you really blame white people for supporting Trump when you see how anti-white the Democrats have become? We can talk about how the concept of whiteness came to be, but the fact is that today white people as a community and identity exist. And when we see a political party, media, academia, and a culture that is anti-white, we go into survival mode. We become susceptible to supporting the guy who promises to build a wall and deport illegals, which will at least keep Whites as the majority, thus keeping us safe from being persecuted like in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

This is one of the reasons I'm an Ethnic Nationalist. As long as we have multiracialism, we'll have terrible people on both sides who take advantage of the situation. Right now we have Democrats who suck up to non-white voters by demonizing white people and we have Republicans who appear to protect white people while really just bringing us closer to Fascism.

The democratic party is almost all white so the idea that they are anti white is a stretch. You'll have to give me examples of their anti-white policies etc. Whiteness as 'community and identity' strikes me as racist. Today we have blacks - they have darker skin, wish I did - in our family and lots of Americans are mixed race - oh and race is a myth, thus my quote on genetics. Get a DNA test you may be surprised. And republicans protecting white people? I'm not buying your positions, they seem divisive at best.


You could substitute white for most any race and ask that same question couldn't you?
And that's quite the generalization, "white people allow themselves to be so obsessed with race". I happen to be white but I didn't know I was obsessed with race.

I often hear people say that but then I listen to them. My in-laws once got pissed off as I told them I had heard every one of them say something racist. Their umbrage struck me as just too unreal for comment. As time passed and we either drove with one or another, they would tell us why the neighborhood was bad or why that particular person was ??? you can fill it in. Seeing yourself is often the hardest person to see. My wife would nudge me on occasion. I gave up.


"Racism is not about how you look, it is about how people assign meaning to how you look." Robin D.G. Kelley
 
The democratic party is almost all white so the idea that they are anti white is a stretch. You'll have to give me examples of their anti-white policies etc.

Expanding affirmative action, which shouldn't exist in the first place. They also want reparations for slavery and health care for illegal immigrants, which are both perfect examples of non-white privilege. Their decriminalization of illegal immigration, another part of non-white privilege, would be disastrous for the white working-class.
And the fact that Whites are the majority in the DNC means nothing. Plenty of rich white people, especially politicians, will do anything to stay in power, including selling out their own people.

Whiteness as 'community and identity' strikes me as racist. Today we have blacks - they have darker skin, wish I did - in our family and lots of Americans are mixed race - oh and race is a myth, thus my quote on genetics. Get a DNA test you may be surprised.

Race is a myth and white people don't exist, until we want to blame someone for Blacks and Mestizos not succeeding. If race doesn't exist, if there is no white community or identity, then why do we need affirmative action? Why are people always fighting over representation? Why are so-called "white people" not given freedom of representation? Why is the media full of anti-white propaganda?

I don't need a DNA test to know I'm white, but that's besides the point. The point is that I have been labelled white by the Democrats and other enemies who want to exploit me. Even if I didn't believe I was white, I'd just be accused of "ignoring racism" by not "acknowledging my privilege."

And republicans protecting white people? I'm not buying your positions, they seem divisive at best.

I'm not saying I believe Republicans are protecting white people. I'm saying that's the lie that Republicans are using to bring us to Fascism and it's working.
 
Affirmative Action was affirmed by our courts which evaluate the legality of policy. Those who recognize the impact racism has had on darker skinned people fought for AA. They cross all ideologies. And a DNA test may show a bit of things you take for granted. There is no white race, there are just lots of blends. And I agree with your fascism comment, but they don't think of it in those terms, they see it as a solution to their resentment.

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There are other more real consequences to the policies of the Trump administration outside of the inequality of taxes and class, and the people who suffer the most are often the poor. As Trump's EPA removes regulations that keep Americans healthy more Americans get sick and this burdens our health system. 'Strangers' is an amazing read for the readers out there who want to get a taste of reality.

Reading: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land

See also another YouTube, 'Reserve, Louisiana: inside the town where cancer haunts the streets'


 
Affirmative Action was affirmed by our courts which evaluate the legality of policy. Those who recognize the impact racism has had on darker skinned people fought for AA. They cross all ideologies.

Just because it's been affirmed by courts doesn't mean it's right. And yeah, it does cross all ideologies, but today it's mainly the Democrats that want to expand affirmative action. And even that isn't enough, since some "anti-racists" have been saying that white Democrats should step aside so that we can have another non-white president.


And a DNA test may show a bit of things you take for granted. There is no white race, there are just lots of blends.

I'm sure that I'm not 100% European. Nobody is 100% anything. The reasons I'm white are because I look white, society considers me white, my ancestry is European, and my DNA is at least virtually all European. I don't care about slight admixtures.

Like I said before, if there is no white race, why all this fuss over racial representation? Why do we need affirmative action? Why are white people who claim they don't see race accused of ignoring racism?
The same people who claim race doesn't exist or that there is no white race, are the same people calling me white and demanding policies centered around race and taking away power from white people.

And I agree with your fascism comment, but they don't think of it in those terms, they see it as a solution to their resentment.

And that's a terrible result of multiracialism.
 
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I have been around long enough to observe and witness exactly what George Orwell alluded to in “1984” about how the old truth is revised and modified into the new truth.

In the 1820's, the Irish were perceived to be the great threat to the Anglo-Saxon heritage of the United States.

In the late 19th century, the Jews, Slavs, Greeks, and Italians were certain to cause a death spiral of America’s western European identify and fealty to western Protestant values.

In the early 20th century, laws were passed to keep Asians out, and “keep American white”.

Obviously, today, Hispanics and Muslims have replaced these previous “invader” groups as a foci of hate and resentment.

Saddam Hussein was our friend, and then our enemy.

The Kremlin was a long-standing enemy for almost a century, until Republicans fell in love with the Kremlin and accepted their help in winning elections.

I am telling you man, once you have been around long enough it is really extraordinary how Big Brother can revise and manipulate the truth so that buck-toothed, barely educated hillbillies are not even able to think for themselves.
 
You mean 'rat voters (like you) care about...

The reason I don't like the DNC is because they're playing racial politics to non-white voters. Trump is playing racial politics to white people like me. It's just not working on me because he's mentally handicapped and corrupt AF.
 
In other words, bullshit perpetrated by the DNC.

It might seem like bullshit to you because you're not familiar with the Alt-Right, so you didn't catch the dog whistles. And you're white, so you haven't regularly heard "go back to your own country."

Although, I do have to question how sincere you're being. Would you be as consistent if it was someone without the Magic R using racist tropes?
 
It might seem like bullshit to you because you're not familiar with the Alt-Right, so you didn't catch the dog whistles. And you're white, so you haven't regularly heard "go back to your own country."

Although, I do have to question how sincere you're being. Would you be as consistent if it was someone without the Magic R using racist tropes?

The Alt-right. What a joke lol.

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The Alt-right. What a joke lol.

They might seem like a joke to you, but Trump knows they make up a big part of his base.
Richard Spencer, who is way too smart for the Alt-Right, knows that Trump gives us racist tweets to make it seem like he's working for the Alt-Right, even though he doesn't actually care about race.
 
They might seem like a joke to you, but Trump knows they make up a big part of his base.
Richard Spencer, who is way too smart for the Alt-Right, knows that Trump gives us racist tweets to make it seem like he's working for the Alt-Right, even though he doesn't actually care about race.

"A big part of his base". All six of them lol?
 
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