Huge oil find should soften prices

Chapdog

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This will be interesting to see if it has an effect. seems like the oil prices are systematically raising up to new highs then something happens to bring relief.. What an upward trend.



RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- A huge offshore oil discovery could raise Brazil's petroleum reserves by a whopping 40 percent and boost this country into the ranks of the world's major exporters, officials said.
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A gas station worker refuels a taxi with natural gas at a Petrobras gas station Thursday in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

The government-run oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA, or Petrobras, said the new "ultra-deep" Tupi field could hold as much as 8 billion barrels of recoverable light crude, sending Petrobras shares soaring and prompting predictions that Brazil could join the world's "top 10" oil producers.

Petrobras President Sergio Gabrielli said Thursday the oil from ultradeep areas, including the Tupi field, would give Brazil the world's eighth-largest oil and gas reserves.

"Brazil's reserves will lie somewhere between those of Nigeria and those of Venezuela," Gabrielli said at a news conference.

Petrobras says the Tupi field, off Brazil's southeastern Atlantic coast, has between 5 billion and 8 billion barrels -- equivalent to 40 percent of all the oil ever discovered in Brazil.

Brazil's total oil reserves currently rank 17th in the world, with 14.4 billion barrels of oil equivalent, Gabrielli said.

Thursday's news of the discovery rocked a country that became a net oil exporter only last year but must still import light crude oil for the refined products it needs. Brazil produces -- and exports -- mostly heavy crude oil, which has to be mixed with the light oil in refineries.

Petrobras' American depository shares jumped $24.03 to $116.77 on the New York Stock Exchange to close at a 52-week high. In Brazil, Petrobras shares ended 14.1 percent higher Thursday at 80.17 reals ($45.94) in Sao Paulo.

"If this is confirmed, we will no longer be a 'medium' country, pursuing self-sufficiency and exporting a little. It will transform the nation to another level, with exporting properties like Venezuela, Arab nations and others," said Dilma Rousseff, presidential chief of staff.

For a country that went deeply into debt buying foreign oil in the 1970s and '80s, "this has changed our reality," she said.

Rousseff also announced that Brazil was withdrawing 41 blocks of underwater territory from an auction of 312 prospective oil blocks to be held this month. The country still will put the remaining 261 blocks up for auction but will reserve the most promising areas around the Tupi field for itself.

The Tupi field lies under 2,140 meters (7,060 feet) of water, more than 3,000 meters (almost 10,000 feet) of sand and rocks, and then another 2,000-meter (6,600-foot) thick layer of salt. The company drilled test wells that lie under 2,166 meters (7,100 feet) of water, 286 kilometers (177 miles) south of Rio de Janeiro.

Getting that oil out of the Earth's crust is a formidable challenge, but most of Brazil's oil lies off its Atlantic coast, and Petrobras has become a global leader in ultradeep offshore oil extraction.

Felipe Cunha, an oil analyst with the Sao Paulo-based brokerage Brascan, said the Tupi field guarantees Brazil's oil output will continue to grow.
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"If the best-case scenario happens, this discovery would make Petrobras' reserves overcome those of Shell and Chevron and put Petrobras behind only Exxon and British Petroleum," Cunha said.

Petrobras has a 65 percent operating stake in the field, Britain's BG Group PLC holds 25 percent, and Petroleos de Portugal holds the remaining 10 percent.
 
Lets buy only SA oil and let someone else worry about the mideast. It would not take long for their hate to be directed at China for their intervention in mideast economics and politics.
 
This will be interesting to see if it has an effect. seems like the oil prices are systematically raising up to new highs then something happens to bring relief..

It'll take years to develop this field, if its deemed economic.

RIO DE JANEIRO, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Brazil's state oil company Petrobras unveiled on Thursday a giant crude reserve, sending its shares soaring and prompting the government to withdraw 41 oil blocks from an upcoming auction in a bid to keep potential natural resources out of foreign hands.

"This is about preserving the country's sovereignty, while maintaining the auction with areas that are not linked to the discovery," cabinet chief Dilma Rousseff said at a news conference, explaining the decision to pull blocks linked to the find from a concessions auction on Nov. 27-28


Now see, if Hugu Chavez moves to preserve Venezuela's sovereignty over its domestic oil reserves, we see a bunch of hand wringing about socialism.

I wonder if we'll see a similar level of outrage here?
 
deepwater projects can take ten years to bring the production on
it will have zero immediate impact on prices.
I heard yestarday that when oil hits 100 the traders will dump it sending the price down temporarily. There are tons of 100 call options with a strike price of 100.
Then also there are many contracts out in late 2008 with $200 dec strike prices.
 
if memory serves me right didnt chevron find a shit load of oil in the gulf of Mexico back in September 06 that send oil prices down?
 
your not wrong on everything heck you got rich in real estate
yes this will take a long time
if you tested mensa, then I promise not to call you GED anymore.
How about showing it more often
 
your not wrong on everything heck you got rich in real estate
yes this will take a long time
if you tested mensa, then I promise not to call you GED anymore.
How about showing it more often

why any need to show it when chatting with you ?

Would be like Einstein tutoring a first grader....Kind of a waste of my talents spinner.
 
chap that wasn't the reason for the price coming down, as stated that oil won't come on line this decade.
 
Lets buy only SA oil and let someone else worry about the mideast. It would not take long for their hate to be directed at China for their intervention in mideast economics and politics.

You do realize that the bulk of our oil imports are from Canada, Mexico, Africa and south America? Saudi and Iraq account for about 20% of our imports at most. We do get smaller amounts from Kuwait, but not a significant portion.
 
Lets buy only SA oil and let someone else worry about the mideast. It would not take long for their hate to be directed at China for their intervention in mideast economics and politics.

I buy Citgo whenever possible.

The truth is that if we could let go of mideast oil we would have done that long ago.

And the arabs don't hate us because we buy their gas, no more than they hate us for "our freedoms." They hate us because we mass-murder their people. They hate us because we overthrown their democratically elected governments and install brutal dictators. They hate us because we want to rape their natural resources .. and Brazil had better pay attention.

The Chinese have not taken the western course of "diplomacy" .. through the barrel of a gun. The Chinese are engaged in many quid-pro-quo agreements not only with the mideast, but in Africa and all over the world.

They aren't operating from a position of racial superiority as does the west.
 
This will be interesting to see if it has an effect. seems like the oil prices are systematically raising up to new highs then something happens to bring relief..

It'll take years to develop this field, if its deemed economic.

Now see, if Hugu Chavez moves to preserve Venezuela's sovereignty over its domestic oil reserves, we see a bunch of hand wringing about socialism.

I wonder if we'll see a similar level of outrage here?

Excellent points
 
You do realize that the bulk of our oil imports are from Canada, Mexico, Africa and south America? Saudi and Iraq account for about 20% of our imports at most. We do get smaller amounts from Kuwait, but not a significant portion.


That's not the point. The point is that the massive reserves in the middle east historically have kept prices on the world market relatively low. Hence, the middle east has been the lynchpin - cheap oil - in the american economy for the last half decade. That's why we spend hundreds of billions "protecting" our puppet dictators in the persian gulf. They are the lynchpin to our economy. Do you think america would have become the economic super power we are without cheap oil?

Further, as oil reserves are depleted worldwide, that last remaining gigantic reserves remain in the middle east, and (in neocon theory) will require more american influence and "protection", both for our economic growth, and to thwart the influence of future rivals in the persian gulf, namely China.
 
That's not the point. The point is that the massive reserves in the middle east historically have kept prices on the world market relatively low. Hence, the middle east has been the lynchpin - cheap oil - in the american economy for the last half decade. That's why we spend hundreds of billions "protecting" our puppet dictators in the persian gulf. They are the lynchpin to our economy. Do you think america would have become the economic super power we are without cheap oil?

Further, as oil reserves are depleted worldwide, that last remaining gigantic reserves remain in the middle east, and (in neocon theory) will require more american influence and "protection", both for our economic growth, and to thwart the influence of future rivals in the persian gulf, namely China.

Which is exactly why I think the government should push, in some way or another and more agressively than they are now, for the development of alternative fuel. Then we can let them (China, Iran, Iraq and whomever) fight it out in the desert if they want.
 
I buy Citgo whenever possible.

The truth is that if we could let go of mideast oil we would have done that long ago.

And the arabs don't hate us because we buy their gas, no more than they hate us for "our freedoms." They hate us because we mass-murder their people. They hate us because we overthrown their democratically elected governments and install brutal dictators. They hate us because we want to rape their natural resources .. and Brazil had better pay attention.

The Chinese have not taken the western course of "diplomacy" .. through the barrel of a gun. The Chinese are engaged in many quid-pro-quo agreements not only with the mideast, but in Africa and all over the world.

They aren't operating from a position of racial superiority as does the west.

Out of curiosity... what is your position on how China has been in the Sudan?
 
I buy Citgo whenever possible.

The truth is that if we could let go of mideast oil we would have done that long ago.

I Never Buy Citgo and as a matter of fact I kind of like this billboard:

http://newszine.jou.ufl.edu/index.php?id=1468

They aren't operating from a position of racial superiority as does the west.


And I don't think much of anything we do as a country in the ME is about race. In fact, most of our country's [mis]dealings in the ME is due to misguided, erroneous religious thinking, race not even being a factor.
 
Out of curiosity... what is your position on how China has been in the Sudan?

Good question.

The arms sales are problematic, but at the same time no one has greater influence in Sudan than the Chinese .. which is fast becoming true throughout Africa. It appears that Chinese influence is moving the Sudanese government to halt the genocide.

China contributes 2 billion dollars a year to Africa development and has committed to doubling that in 2008. They aren't in Africa just to rape the resources, they've invested in all manner of business interests and many chinese now live in Africa.

Areas where there was once famine have now become centers for agri-business .. thanks in large part to the Chinese.

Unquestionably the Chinese must move faster to influence stability in the Sudan and arms sales must be conditional.
 
I Never Buy Citgo and as a matter of fact I kind of like this billboard:

http://newszine.jou.ufl.edu/index.php?id=1468

And I don't think much of anything we do as a country in the ME is about race. In fact, most of our country's [mis]dealings in the ME is due to misguided, erroneous religious thinking, race not even being a factor.

I have absolutely no problem with your choice of gas and I'm sure Chavez doesn't either.

Nor do I have a problem with your perspective about race being a factor in our dealings with the ME, although I don't agree with it.

My comment about perceived western racial superiority was not specific to just the ME.
 
Good question.

The arms sales are problematic, but at the same time no one has greater influence in Sudan than the Chinese .. which is fast becoming true throughout Africa. It appears that Chinese influence is moving the Sudanese government to halt the genocide.

China contributes 2 billion dollars a year to Africa development and has committed to doubling that in 2008. They aren't in Africa just to rape the resources, they've invested in all manner of business interests and many chinese now live in Africa.

Areas where there was once famine have now become centers for agri-business .. thanks in large part to the Chinese.

Unquestionably the Chinese must move faster to influence stability in the Sudan and arms sales must be conditional.

Thanks. I agree in large part. I think they have been poor with regards to stopping the genocide. I think they have hindered the UN and AU in that regard.
 
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