Huge oil find should soften prices

Thanks. I agree in large part. I think they have been poor with regards to stopping the genocide. I think they have hindered the UN and AU in that regard.

I absolutely agree with you sir.

One thing the Chinese will have to grow out of is their paranoia of all things west. That paranoia is well-deserved and doesn't come without good reason, but THEY are becoming the big boys on the block and they'll have to learn how to operate as such.
 
I absolutely agree with you sir.

One thing the Chinese will have to grow out of is their paranoia of all things west. That paranoia is well-deserved and doesn't come without good reason, but THEY are becoming the big boys on the block and they'll have to learn how to operate as such.

Very true, it is a lot harder to be in the top spot, because then everyone is gunning for you. Traditionally the Chinese have been very good at long term thinking and that should help them. It is something our founders were good at, but has since deteriorated into the instant gratification society that we have today in the US.

Hopefully the Chinese will learn the lesson that true gains must be earned and cannot be bought with borrowed money. Something we too must learn if we are to dig out of the gigantic hole we have dug ourselves into over the past several decades.
 
Which is exactly why I think the government should push, in some way or another and more agressively than they are now, for the development of alternative fuel. Then we can let them (China, Iran, Iraq and whomever) fight it out in the desert if they want.

You have oilmen in the White House, they're not going to let their mates in the oil game down. It doesn't matter who you have in the White House or in Congress, the oil companies own them all and there will be no realistic effort at developing alternative energy sources. When the oil finally runs out, then it might happen, until then you will be paying for your petroleum products to keep those super-profits for oil interests at historically record highs.
 
diruretic moron, please explain yourself with numbers and not platitudes
Billions are going into alt energy you ass
actually I'm making good money on alt energy.
 
This will be interesting to see if it has an effect. seems like the oil prices are systematically raising up to new highs then something happens to bring relief.. What an upward trend.



RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- A huge offshore oil discovery could raise Brazil's petroleum reserves by a whopping 40 percent and boost this country into the ranks of the world's major exporters, officials said.
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A gas station worker refuels a taxi with natural gas at a Petrobras gas station Thursday in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

The government-run oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA, or Petrobras, said the new "ultra-deep" Tupi field could hold as much as 8 billion barrels of recoverable light crude, sending Petrobras shares soaring and prompting predictions that Brazil could join the world's "top 10" oil producers.

Petrobras President Sergio Gabrielli said Thursday the oil from ultradeep areas, including the Tupi field, would give Brazil the world's eighth-largest oil and gas reserves.

"Brazil's reserves will lie somewhere between those of Nigeria and those of Venezuela," Gabrielli said at a news conference.

Petrobras says the Tupi field, off Brazil's southeastern Atlantic coast, has between 5 billion and 8 billion barrels -- equivalent to 40 percent of all the oil ever discovered in Brazil.

Brazil's total oil reserves currently rank 17th in the world, with 14.4 billion barrels of oil equivalent, Gabrielli said.

Thursday's news of the discovery rocked a country that became a net oil exporter only last year but must still import light crude oil for the refined products it needs. Brazil produces -- and exports -- mostly heavy crude oil, which has to be mixed with the light oil in refineries.

Petrobras' American depository shares jumped $24.03 to $116.77 on the New York Stock Exchange to close at a 52-week high. In Brazil, Petrobras shares ended 14.1 percent higher Thursday at 80.17 reals ($45.94) in Sao Paulo.

"If this is confirmed, we will no longer be a 'medium' country, pursuing self-sufficiency and exporting a little. It will transform the nation to another level, with exporting properties like Venezuela, Arab nations and others," said Dilma Rousseff, presidential chief of staff.

For a country that went deeply into debt buying foreign oil in the 1970s and '80s, "this has changed our reality," she said.

Rousseff also announced that Brazil was withdrawing 41 blocks of underwater territory from an auction of 312 prospective oil blocks to be held this month. The country still will put the remaining 261 blocks up for auction but will reserve the most promising areas around the Tupi field for itself.

The Tupi field lies under 2,140 meters (7,060 feet) of water, more than 3,000 meters (almost 10,000 feet) of sand and rocks, and then another 2,000-meter (6,600-foot) thick layer of salt. The company drilled test wells that lie under 2,166 meters (7,100 feet) of water, 286 kilometers (177 miles) south of Rio de Janeiro.

Getting that oil out of the Earth's crust is a formidable challenge, but most of Brazil's oil lies off its Atlantic coast, and Petrobras has become a global leader in ultradeep offshore oil extraction.

Felipe Cunha, an oil analyst with the Sao Paulo-based brokerage Brascan, said the Tupi field guarantees Brazil's oil output will continue to grow.
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"If the best-case scenario happens, this discovery would make Petrobras' reserves overcome those of Shell and Chevron and put Petrobras behind only Exxon and British Petroleum," Cunha said.

Petrobras has a 65 percent operating stake in the field, Britain's BG Group PLC holds 25 percent, and Petroleos de Portugal holds the remaining 10 percent.

How hard is it to refine?

I know, for instance, there was this big buzz about this gigantic resoivoir found in the gulf. Until people realized it was going to take about 20 times as much money in order to get the stuff out as at traditional resovoirs.
 
diruretic moron, please explain yourself with numbers and not platitudes
Billions are going into alt energy you ass
actually I'm making good money on alt energy.

What's the current price of oil per barrel? What was the price of oil per barrel when Bush first took office? And how much, fuckwit, are you paying for petroleum products right now?

Dumbarse :D
 
How hard is it to refine?

I know, for instance, there was this big buzz about this gigantic resoivoir found in the gulf. Until people realized it was going to take about 20 times as much money in order to get the stuff out as at traditional resovoirs.

The oil-shale grounds in Alberta used to be uneconomical, now they're economical due to the record price of oil. I suspect a similar mechanism will kick in with this deposit.
 
Of courts diarrearetic can't back up her comment about no Alt energy investment.
Also, moron energy is half the percentage of family budget now compared to the seventies.
 
Of courts diarrearetic can't back up her comment about no Alt energy investment.
Also, moron energy is half the percentage of family budget now compared to the seventies.

I'm sorry? Were you trying to make a point? I must have missed it because it was so minor. I'll pay attention when you make it again, so fire away.

On the cost of energy, I'm sure everyone paying through the nose today feels much better knowing that it was bad back in the 1970s. I remember it, about 1972 I think. It's a lot worse now. Anyway crank out your statistics and I'll have a read.
 
I'm sorry? Were you trying to make a point? I must have missed it because it was so minor. I'll pay attention when you make it again, so fire away.

On the cost of energy, I'm sure everyone paying through the nose today feels much better knowing that it was bad back in the 1970s. I remember it, about 1972 I think. It's a lot worse now. Anyway crank out your statistics and I'll have a read.

You are absolutely correct.

The rising costs of energy not only impacts families, it impacts businesses, the economy, and taxpayers and well. Pensions are more at risk than ever and more pensions are being transferred to the government pension agency where taxpayers will have to pick up the tab, airlines are in jeopardy of going under, truckers and farmers are at greater risk, taxpayers are paying more for essential services like mail delivery, and in this time of war everywhere the military is paying more for fuel.

These negative impacts are glaringly obvious but if anyone needs statistics to see the obvious, I'd have no problem providing them.
 
I'm sorry? Were you trying to make a point? I must have missed it because it was so minor. I'll pay attention when you make it again, so fire away.

On the cost of energy, I'm sure everyone paying through the nose today feels much better knowing that it was bad back in the 1970s. I remember it, about 1972 I think. It's a lot worse now. Anyway crank out your statistics and I'll have a read.

I think we need a link from Spinner.
 
USmoron, you have two more idiots in your club
diarria and blackas
Yes, you trailor park fools have been spoiled for 20yrs by cheap energy.
That is now over, $3 gas is back and within a few years we'll pay $4 which Europe has been paying.
you asswhipes claim is wrecking the economy. LOFL
The economy is growing at 4% and adding 100,000 jobs a month:clink:
 
Umm listen to the economic "experts " next week Spinner. their tune has changed greatly in the last week....


I expect $4 gas buy next summers driving season. $4 gas is good it will maybe push us in the direction we need to go...
 
USmoron, you have two more idiots in your club
diarria and blackas
Yes, you trailor park fools have been spoiled for 20yrs by cheap energy.
That is now over, $3 gas is back and within a few years we'll pay $4 which Europe has been paying.
you asswhipes claim is wrecking the economy. LOFL
The economy is growing at 4% and adding 100,000 jobs a month:clink:

And you claim to be smart ...

The very fact that you're touting 100,000 jobs a month as some sort of wonder to behold belies that claim.

From the the time Bush took office in January 2001 through December of last year, 3.7 million jobs were created, compared to 17.8 million during a corresponding time when Clinton was in office, and 9.2 million during the same time period when Reagan was in office. It's estimated that 160,000 new jobs are needed monthly just to keep up with population growth.

Now, going into the holiday shopping season, consumer confidence has fallen to its lowest level since Bush's daddy was in office .. and given that consumer spending accounts for more than two-thirds of the economy, touting a great economy would put you in the moron category sir.

Under Bush the country's trade deficit has been growing every year, the national debt has hit $9 trillion, a $10 billion-per-month Iraq war is being largely funded on borrowed money, and Bush has done nothing to stem the bleeding of the dollar except parroting his mantra that he has a "strong dollar" policy.

Economic concerns are now vying with the Iraq war as the top-of-mind election issue as the 2008 primary season approaches.

I know, let me hear some bullshit about how fabulously rich you are .. to which I respond with a resounding .. sure you are.
 
blackassfool,
you sound like cypress in diguise
who the fuck said anything about Clinton in this thread(of course I'll tkake another 8 yrears of Clintonomics) but that's not what we are talking about.
You show your utter moronic ineptitude on economics. 100,000 jobs a month will get us 3% growth you idiot.:clink:

UCS, yes more are negative the consensus is still over 2% growth and they have been undershooting. The hype is over blown.
Hundreds of banks failed late 80's early nineties, it's nearly non existant now.:clink:
 
The oil-shale grounds in Alberta used to be uneconomical, now they're economical due to the record price of oil. I suspect a similar mechanism will kick in with this deposit.

I'm sure that no oil find that needs $20 a gallon gas prices before it's economical will ever be widely used.
 
Brazil now wants to join OPEC
as a result of the discovery, Brazilian President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said that his country might soon join OPEC, the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, according to a report in Brazzil magazine. “This discovery of an exceptional reserve, with good quality oil and plenty of gas,” he stated, “puts Brazil in a highly privileged situation. Very soon Brazil is going to join OPEC.”
still think it's going to lower prices?:clink:
 
blackassfool,
you sound like cypress in diguise
who the fuck said anything about Clinton in this thread(of course I'll tkake another 8 yrears of Clintonomics) but that's not what we are talking about.
You show your utter moronic ineptitude on economics. 100,000 jobs a month will get us 3% growth you idiot.:clink:

UCS, yes more are negative the consensus is still over 2% growth and they have been undershooting. The hype is over blown.
Hundreds of banks failed late 80's early nineties, it's nearly non existant now.:clink:

For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable and so astute that you made yourself wealthy .. you sure sound uncouth and uncultured as hell.

"Idiot" and "moron" sure sounds funny coming from someone who can't write complete sentences.

You failed to address much of anything I put to you .. just ran kicking and screaming away from a rational comparison of not only the Clinton years, but also Reagan's.

Of course, when looking at what you did try to address and the absolute buffonic response you gave, it becomes understandable why you'd rather talk as if your name was Cartman, rather than exposing your ignorance in a civil and sane discussion.

Your argument that the creation of 100,000 jobs is a wonderous thing to behold is simply stupid as fuck and I don't give a damn who you pretend to be. That bullshit is counter to what most real economists and economic forecasters believe.
 
blackassmoron,
you sound like a wanna bee middle school english teacher.
Not a freakin number to be found from you inept ass.
Please refute the 100,000 jobs as a good number or 4% GDP in this gtr or shut the fuck up. this water is obviously over your head:shock:
 
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