Hunting.... Its not wrong, but enjoy it?

Jarod said:
I understand your enjoyment that is reasonable to me.... Would you not enjoy it as much with a camera? Is the kill part of the enjoyment or would the thrill of it be lost without the kill.
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I think the thrill might be there, but the challenge is not as great.

Plus, the 3 animals that I hunt with any regularity, are overpopulating in many areas. Plus, I have found no sources for fresh venison tenderloin that are not outrageously expensive.

My hunting serves several purposes in addition to my love of the hunt. My hunting coyotes (my most challenging hunts yet) are a service to the ecosystem, my neighbors, and to the native species in the area.
 
Hunting, for most people who do so, is a process, not an end goal of killing something. It's about development of skills, from marksmanship to tracking to stalking. It's about getting out in God's country and breathing clean air. It's being one with Nature, and with the animal you kill. Native Americans have viewed hunting as a spiritual event while you whiteys were still hoeing barley rows for your local Duke.

Could the same be done with a camera instead of bow or rifle? Certainly. Except you go home with nothing but pictures and then are forced to get your fatty, extreme cholesterol laden, chemically impregnated, steroid and antibiotic injected "meat" (and I use the term loosely) from a grocery store.
 
Jarod said:
I am a great fisherman, but unless its a species that I really like to eat I am strictly catch and release.

Id rather get it from store but the cost makes it hard to give up the fish once its in the boat.
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So you do on occasion actually keep and eat your catch?

Then why even question hunters....where can you buy venison or grouse or bear or elk meat....???

Usually, no where....

The chicken, beef, and lamb chops you're eating come from KILLING animals....you just have to have someone else do the dirty work...
 
Good Luck said:
Hunting, for most people who do so, is a process, not an end goal of killing something. It's about development of skills, from marksmanship to tracking to stalking. It's about getting out in God's country and breathing clean air. It's being one with Nature, and with the animal you kill. Native Americans have viewed hunting as a spiritual event while you whiteys were still hoeing barley rows for your local Duke.

Could the same be done with a camera instead of bow or rifle? Certainly. Except you go home with nothing but pictures and then are forced to get your fatty, extreme cholesterol laden, chemically impregnated, steroid and antibiotic injected "meat" (and I use the term loosely) from a grocery store.
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What are you? some kind of racist asshole ?
 
Jarod said:
I eat meat, I love meat, its the staple of my diet....


I dont care that animals are being killed....

I dont however take joy in the killing of them and find it strangely sadistic that people do....

WHats up with that?
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You'd never make it at a meat packing plant. Slaughtering hogs is horrifying. They know what's happening to them and they have anguish and freak out like a human would when they know they are about to be killed.
 
Damocles said:
Hunting isn't all about the "killing". Well, for me it isn't.
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Uhhh...I don't know about you but makin a kill was always a big part of the hunt for me. It wasn't the only thing.....but yea....I liked the kill....and when I stopped liking the kill, I stopped hunting. Now for anyone gets on their high horse, I've done enough hunting to know it's more than just the kill.....but don't bull shit me. That's a big part of the thrill of hunting. Making the kill.
 
bravo said:
Its who you are? Its in your blood?

Thats just stereotyping at its finest...

I started hunting at 12 years old....loved the hike, the fresh air, the comradeship of the group and just tramping in the woods with Dad.....
Got tired shooting rabbits, it was just too easy and ceased being a challenge....
same with pheasant and other small game.....
hunted strictly grouse for the last 5 years or so of my hunting career...you had to be fast, alert and on you toes....hard to hit and real good eating....
Shot one deer and found that about as easy as shooting yourself in the foot....don't even care for the meat....so I quit altogether....and took up dry fly fishing...

So it was fun while it lasted but I don't miss it for a second.
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Ok bravo we get it...you are not a hunter- You can hunt-according to you its just easy and boring and you don't like the meat...interesting stuff :)
 
Dixie said:
I know people who are like that, and they are in my family. In fact, my Aunt (who is now dearly departed) had much the same story about her experience as a hunter, and though she didn't hunt, she took care of all the trappings.

My first 'hunting' experience was at 8-years old, I had gotten a Daisy SureShot BB gun for my birthday, and shot a momma red-breasted robin. I had to listen to her babies chirp as they starved to death, and eventually became food for other prey. It was a traumatic experience for me. Later, when I was 13, I would go rabbit and squirrel hunting, because burning ants with a magnifying glass would get boring to a 13-year-old after a while. I enjoyed doing that, but it never was something I truly "loved" doing, enough to be obsessed with it or anything. I had rather fish, any day. Okay...jump ahead to my early 20s, and I am trying to impress my girlfriend's father... he is an avid deer hunter, and he is taking me on a 'hunt' ...it's only the second time I've ever hunted deer. This man was downright sadistic to me, drug me through frozen swamps and what I call "briar-swamps" at 4:45 am... like freaking Delta Force! We never saw a deer! After that, I decided, I am not a hunter. I have guns, love to shoot at targets, just don't care about hunting anymore.
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I'm with you Dixie. I'd rather go fishing any day.
 
Hunting an animal and eating it is far, FAR more humane than buying food from the store. Animals are basically tortured until they're fat enough for slaughter. Then they die, and Jarod happily supports this, while hunters actually provide the most human kill that any wild animal will ever enjoy.

Hunting = humane.

Buying at the store = sadistic.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You have put into words, better then anyone I've ever read.

"Being in the woods when dawn finally breaks is almost a spiritual experience."

As a kid, when we lived on the farm, I used to love going out, no matter what the season, and seeing how many animals I could find and how close could I get; but winter was so different.
Every step brings that crunch sound of the snow packing down.
Everything was so quiet, it was like being in the worlds biggest church and yet, every sound was amplified.
You could hear the claws of a squirrel on the tree bark, tree branches cracking were as loud as gun shots, and it seemed like you could hear your breath crystalizing.
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You dont have to be out trying to kill animals to experience that.
 
bravo said:
So you do on occasion actually keep and eat your catch?

Then why even question hunters....where can you buy venison or grouse or bear or elk meat....???

Usually, no where....

The chicken, beef, and lamb chops you're eating come from KILLING animals....you just have to have someone else do the dirty work...
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I agree and understand what you are saying, but my point was different. Maybe you did not read it... I was saying I belive it strange to enjoy the killing.....

If you do it because you enjoy the meat or for a free source of meat, I completlly understand.

If you do it because you enjoy killing.... I dont understand.
 
Beefy said:
Hunting an animal and eating it is far, FAR more humane than buying food from the store. Animals are basically tortured until they're fat enough for slaughter. Then they die, and Jarod happily supports this, while hunters actually provide the most human kill that any wild animal will ever enjoy.

Hunting = humane.

Buying at the store = sadistic.
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Ugh, you did not read what I wrote.

I simply said I did not understand thow who enjoy doing the killing themselves.
 
Jarod said:
Ugh, you did not read what I wrote.

I simply said I did not understand thow who enjoy doing the killing themselves.
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As opposed to hiring someone to do it for you in a far worse fashion so as to insulate yourself from the unspeakable horror you support every time you go to the store? Hmmmmm? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?!!?!
 
Jarod said:
You dont have to be out trying to kill animals to experience that.
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No, you don't HAVE to be hunting to experience that. But I guarantee I experience more in my hours hunting than most people will in their occasional hikes over several years.
 
WinterBorn said:
No, you don't HAVE to be hunting to experience that. But I guarantee I experience more in my hours hunting than most people will in their occasional hikes over several years.
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Jarod said:
Ugh, you did not read what I wrote.

I simply said I did not understand thow who enjoy doing the killing themselves.
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And I thought I gave a decent, if long-winded, explanation for those who hunt for enjoyment of the hunt.

Is there something else you do not understand? Or is it just a matter of you wanting to feel superior?

The meat I eat has a sporting chance, has lived in the wild, and dies as humanely as I can make it happen.

The meat you eat is tortured, pumped full of chemicals/antibiotics/steroids, penned in tiny spaces, fed second rate grain, and killed in sight & smell of other animals waiting to be killed.

You don't actually do all of that, I understand. You simply pay others to do it so you can keep your hands clean and look down on hunters as sadists.
 
Jarod said:
Ugh, you did not read what I wrote.

I simply said I did not understand thow who enjoy doing the killing themselves.
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When you're in that fishing boat and haul a 36" stripper in....and think how good it will be to have that fish fry or whatever....are you thinking about the killing and death of that fish as enjoyment?

Do you imagine its so different keeping that fish on ice and bagging that elk for the freezer....?
Except for the method of killing, its actually the same damn thing, isn't it?

What makes you think the "killing" or "death" of the game is so much different.
Do you think the hunters are having a climax when they pull the trigger any more than you hauling that big fish over the side.....?
 
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