I agree with Rush...!
- Thread starter Jarod
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"No doubt the economy will recover in spite of the Democrats...it is resiliant and fear of voter backlash usually keeps the Dems from doing too much damage...I guess you fail to see that Bush enjoyed unemployment at 4.5% for much of his terms and a great economy, at least until Congress was taken over by Dems. and because his warnings about Freddy and Fanny were ignored by Congress...."
If Obama had a great unemployment % most of his tenure, but presided over the biggest collapse in decades, I wouldn't exactly be bragging about it.
"What I would have preferred is that the unions not be given 50% of the company as a political reward for supporting the Democrats....the company was literally stolen ....you might call it "redistribution" of assets."
Hundreds of thousands of people who still have jobs would have been unemployed without that bailout. I have a hard time putting a negative spin on that. Maybe you want the GOP to be the party of unemployment? That would seem to contradict with your first point.
"When was the last attack? Why is the relevant? The very attackers, Mulims, are now being allowed to build a memorial to their murder at the crime site, thats what fuckin' relevant ...."
Really? The Muslims are the "very attackers?"
That's a fairly myopic view. Are the Christians the "very attackers" for all of those white supremicist hate crimes, then?
If Obama had a great unemployment % most of his tenure, but presided over the biggest collapse in decades, I wouldn't exactly be bragging about it.
"What I would have preferred is that the unions not be given 50% of the company as a political reward for supporting the Democrats....the company was literally stolen ....you might call it "redistribution" of assets."
Hundreds of thousands of people who still have jobs would have been unemployed without that bailout. I have a hard time putting a negative spin on that. Maybe you want the GOP to be the party of unemployment? That would seem to contradict with your first point.
"When was the last attack? Why is the relevant? The very attackers, Mulims, are now being allowed to build a memorial to their murder at the crime site, thats what fuckin' relevant ...."
Really? The Muslims are the "very attackers?"
That's a fairly myopic view. Are the Christians the "very attackers" for all of those white supremicist hate crimes, then?
cawacko
Well-known member
Well imo Jarod used to be able to hold a decent conversation on this board. Now he spends half his time trolling and I believe it's because he's trying to imitate Rush yet he doesn't do a good job of it.
I don't think that's petty but to each their own.
1) Any time you accomplish change and signifigant legislation (I call it progress in this case), you end up paying a political price, its because you give your opponant something to attack. This Democratic Congress has been one of the most prolific with regards to signifigant legialation. THe Republicans have done a good job of using the legislation to scare the base and whip up anger, this works and gets the base to the polls. Id say, great progress comes at a price.
2) Look at the last few presidents who got 2nd terms, (exempting Bush Jr. due to 9-11) They all lost big in the two year congressional election. I belive this is because it is an effective stragety to have something/someone to run against. If they face a Republican Congress, they can be outsiders fighting the establishment.
cawacko
Well-known member
Are you kidding???
If the Republicans actually became a party of no it would be the best thing for this country. Can you imagine if a party actually said (or I should say their actions said) we can't spend beyond our means, we may have to make cuts or changes to popular programs etc? How would that be a bad thing?
Of course in partisan terms they get labeled the party of no because they don't go along with Obama's agenda. Well a lot of America doesn't seem to be all that enthralled at the moment with it either. So that's just partisan complaining.
Now of course the Republicans would never actually become a real party of no because they don't have the balls or principle to do it. But if either party actually did then hallelujah.
Crashk
Unite or Die
When Republicons were in power you didn't give a shit about these problems that are a direct result of your policies. In 18 months you want Obama to solve problems that that you created over the last 30 years. No, it will take a generation to fix what you fucked up.
I believe the Unemployment rate is improving and the low numbers are chiefly due to the Bush policy of lowering taxes in a time of war.
The government will never own Ford and is not moving in that direction.
I dont want a government powerfull enough to tell citizins where they can and cant build religous institutions.
Illegal Mexicans will stay at the level of the population that the corporations who employ them want, it does not have much to do with the Government policies.
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Originally Posted by bravo
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When Republican were in power
1...Unemployment was 4.5 to 5.5 % for almost all of 7 years (until the Dems. took over Congress and the purse)
2...The bailout was in progress and the government was not in the process of conficating an entire car company...
3...Conservatives are AGAINST the mosque at the WTC now and would have against it if it would have happened until Bush's watch.
4....Republicans are now against sewing AZ over Illegals and would not have sewed AZ under Bush....
Liberals are fucking up this nation one law at time for close to a centrury....
Originally Posted by bravo
When Republicons were in power you didn't give a shit about these problems that are a direct result of your policies. In 18 months you want Obama to solve problems that that you created over the last 30 years. No, it will take a generation to fix what you fucked up.
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When Republican were in power
1...Unemployment was 4.5 to 5.5 % for almost all of 7 years (until the Dems. took over Congress and the purse)
2...The bailout was in progress and the government was not in the process of conficating an entire car company...
3...Conservatives are AGAINST the mosque at the WTC now and would have against it if it would have happened until Bush's watch.
4....Republicans are now against sewing AZ over Illegals and would not have sewed AZ under Bush....
Liberals are fucking up this nation one law at time for close to a centrury....
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
I get #1, the Democrats will likely lose, or come close to losing, both houses of Congress in November. But I don't get how this "helps" Obama's chances for re-election. I do understand historic traditions, but this may be an anomaly unlike anything we've seen in recent memory, perhaps since the very founding of America or just before the Civil War.
The Democrats are very effective running "AGAINST" Republicans, but isn't that what they are still doing now? I don't think that is working for them in this case. I see the independents peeling off in droves from the Obama Train. He has managed to piss off as many sides as Bush ever dreamed of, and that is a tall fucking order, let me tell ya! He's got the Hillary people contemplating if she will challenge him in '12, and he's got the Liberals ready to bust a blood vessel because he's not Dennis Kusenich! He still has strong support from Blacks, 80%, but that is down from near 100%, so he is actually losing support from "his own kind" as Shirley Sherrod would say! The man who was supposed to be the "Post-Racial President" ...The One, who Chris Matthews got tingles in the leg over.... who was supposed to unify us and bring us all together in a new post-racial era, has probably set race relations back 30 years.
If Republicans win majorities in both houses, and then begin to waffle and fold on their promises to hold him accountable and in check with the spending and socializing of our system, opting to be the idiots of old, then perhaps it could benefit Obama in a reelection bid, but I don't believe that is what will happen this time. I think we're seeing the Tea Party is not afraid to take on "establishment" republicans, and send their asses home as well.
The Democrats are very effective running "AGAINST" Republicans, but isn't that what they are still doing now? I don't think that is working for them in this case. I see the independents peeling off in droves from the Obama Train. He has managed to piss off as many sides as Bush ever dreamed of, and that is a tall fucking order, let me tell ya! He's got the Hillary people contemplating if she will challenge him in '12, and he's got the Liberals ready to bust a blood vessel because he's not Dennis Kusenich! He still has strong support from Blacks, 80%, but that is down from near 100%, so he is actually losing support from "his own kind" as Shirley Sherrod would say! The man who was supposed to be the "Post-Racial President" ...The One, who Chris Matthews got tingles in the leg over.... who was supposed to unify us and bring us all together in a new post-racial era, has probably set race relations back 30 years.
If Republicans win majorities in both houses, and then begin to waffle and fold on their promises to hold him accountable and in check with the spending and socializing of our system, opting to be the idiots of old, then perhaps it could benefit Obama in a reelection bid, but I don't believe that is what will happen this time. I think we're seeing the Tea Party is not afraid to take on "establishment" republicans, and send their asses home as well.
Clinton, pre-'94: gays in the military, health bill that read like War & Peace, blood in the water.
Clinton, post-'94: savvy triangulator, co-opter of legislative successes, balanced budget guru & landslide winner of re-election.
And Obama's smarter than Clinton; he reduced him to putty in the campaign.
A big defeat for the Dems only benefits Obama politically. Maybe not legislatively, but politically it's a no brainer.
It would indeed be a good things in some areas, in others, an increase in spending may be necessary. I am for those budget items that benefit "we the people"
It is their reason for saying no that is despicable!
Crashk
Unite or Die
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Originally Posted by bravo
When Republicons were in power you didn't give a shit about these problems that are a direct result of your policies. In 18 months you want Obama to solve problems that that you created over the last 30 years. No, it will take a generation to fix what you fucked up.
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When Republican were in power
1...Unemployment was 4.5 to 5.5 % for almost all of 7 years (until the Dems. took over Congress and the purse)
2...The bailout was in progress and the government was not in the process of conficating an entire car company...
3...Conservatives are AGAINST the mosque at the WTC now and would have against it if it would have happened until Bush's watch.
4....Republicans are now against sewing AZ over Illegals and would not have sewed AZ under Bush....
Liberals are fucking up this nation one law at time for close to a centrury....
1. Unemployment has been in a downward spiral long before Obama ran for pres. Hi unemployment is a direct result of Republicon policies.
2. The bailout was an extension of Bush's policies. It had to be done and would have been done under any admin. You are just running your mouth trying to pin all of your failures on Dems.
3. I don't care about religion or where anyone builds a place to worship their gods.
4. I don't know anything about the garmet industry in Az.
Remember - "The Muslims" are the people who attacked us. "The Muslims" are the enemy. Constitutional rights to not apply to "The Muslims."
Crashk
Unite or Die
In Bravo's world it's ok to torture their children.
cawacko
Well-known member
what partisanship or difference of ideas?
1/2001.....Bush takes office....unemployment at 4.7%
1/2007.....Dems to over Congress...unemployment at 5%
1/2008.....Obama takes office.....unemployment at 8%
Fannie and Freddie already in trouble....Bush warns Congress
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown[/ame]
Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVVzEKauzY&feature=related"]YouTube- The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and covering up their bad books.[/ame]
The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related"]YouTube- Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis[/ame]
Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
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2004 Dem. coverup of Fanny and Freddie
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0&feature=related"]YouTube- Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae[/ame]
Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64&feature=related"]YouTube- EVIDENCE FOUND!!! Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!![/ame]
Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nU3fNh-PRk&feature=related"]YouTube- Follow the Money: How Fannie Mae Bought the Democrat Party[/ame]
How Fannie Mae Bought the Democrat Party
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Digging a deeper hole....
Pass Housing and Recovery Act of 2008
guaranteeing 300 Billion in NEW mortgage money, covering 90% of appraised value...disaster in the making
also
# 1 Housing Assistance Tax Act of 2008
# 2 FHA Modernization Act of 2008
# 3 Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008
# 4 HOPE for Homeowners Act of 2008
# 5 Mortgage Disclosure Improvement Act of 2008
# 6 Secure and Fair Enforcement for Mortgage Licensing Act of 2008
Did I make booboo in spelling ? Sorry....I meant SUING....
did you mena GARMENT instead of garmet, Pinhead ?
eminent domain
Public Use ... public use, requires that the property taken be used to benefit the public rather than specific individuals. Whether a particular use is considered public is ordinarily a question to be determined by the courts. However, if the legislature has made a declaration about a specific public use, the courts will defer to legislative intent.
To be used for part of National Center in honor of citizens murdered by radical Muslims by acts of terrorism....
and ...the Constitution only matters to those that don't abuse its provisions, Amendments and original intent of the Founding Fathers by discovering rights on mentioned in the document and assuming Governmental power where it doesn't exist..
You shouldn't advertise your being a pinhead....its already obvious to most of us....
"Bush warns Congress"?
What was HE doing? Are we really to believe that he had no say over fiscal policy...that he was a bystander in his own admin?
Now, of course, we all know that the Dems made the decision to invade Iraq, but you have to stop making excuses for Bush on economics.
What was HE doing? Are we really to believe that he had no say over fiscal policy...that he was a bystander in his own admin?
Now, of course, we all know that the Dems made the decision to invade Iraq, but you have to stop making excuses for Bush on economics.