I doubt that this story is even reported in the US

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You don''t have to go that far.

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/espada/imperialism.htm

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LMAO.... seriously? You too? We are talking about whether or not the US is currently imperialistic. But if you want to expand the discussion to the Louisiana purchase and the purchase of AK, I suppose we can do that for you.

Are you imperialistic when you buy land?

 

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LMAO.... seriously? You too? We are talking about whether or not the US is currently imperialistic. But if you want to expand the discussion to the Louisiana purchase and the purchase of AK, I suppose we can do that for you.

Are you imperialistic when you buy land?

Those 700 bases around the world are not all there for altruistic reasons, especially in Pacific Rim. As I said the other day, there will coma a time when the US and China will lock horns.

 

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Those 700 bases around the world are not all there for altruistic reasons, especially in Pacific Rim. As I said the other day, there will coma a time when the US and China will lock horns.

People like you predicted the US and the USSR would "lock horns" at some point as well...

 

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People like you predicted the US and the USSR would "lock horns" at some point as well...

They very nearly did on several occasions, if nothing else we have to thank Kennedy from stopping that megalomaniac Curtis Le May from bombing nuclear sites in Cuba. If that had happened then I very much doubt we would even be having this conversation now.

 

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Those 700 bases around the world are not all there for altruistic reasons, especially in Pacific Rim. As I said the other day, there will coma a time when the US and China will lock horns.

Out of those 700 bases around the world, please list for us the ones that are forced upon the country they reside in.

I am more than happy to see every single base in Western Europe shut down.

 

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They very nearly did on several occasions, if nothing else we have to thank Kennedy from stopping that megalomaniac Curtis Le May from bombing nuclear sites in Cuba. If that had happened then I very much doubt we would even be having this conversation now.

"Very nearly" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. The US and China have an even more symbiotic relationship. You may predict what you will, but it won't stop us from pointing out history.

 

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Out of those 700 bases around the world, please list for us the ones that are forced upon the country they reside in.

I am more than happy to see every single base in Western Europe shut down.

I think you know very well how these things work. For instance Diego Garcia was handed over to the US by Wilson government in the 1960s, they even evicted all the populace first and prevented them from coming back. The Japanese aren't very happy with the bases on Okinawa and many other countries have bases as they then get access to US aid and patronage. By the way, that's not always a bad thing but you cannot classify it as a deal between equals.

 

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I think you know very well how these things work. For instance Diego Garcia was handed over to the US by Wilson government in the 1960s, they even evicted all the populace first and prevented them from coming back. The Japanese aren't very happy with the bases on Okinawa and many other countries have bases as they then get access to US aid and patronage. By the way, that's not always a bad thing but you cannot classify it as a deal between equals.

LMAO... I didn't classify it as a 'deal between equals'. I said there are no bases that are forced on any country that I am aware of. The Japanese people may not want our bases there, yet their government does. So who should their problem be with? Regardless, it is not a base that is forced upon Japan.

As for Diego Garcia....

1) It was uninhabited when first discovered
2) It remained that way until the FRENCH put a few settlers on the land in the early 1800's
3) It was purchased by the United Kingdom... not the US... in 1965
4) the US LEASES Diego Garcia from the UK... that lease goes until 2016, with an optional 20 year renewal after that.
5) It was the BRITISH that first established a military base there
6) It was the BRITISH that shut down the plantation on Diego Garcia
7) It was the BRITISH that negotiated the payments to the families that were removed by the BRITISH.

 

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LMAO... I didn't classify it as a 'deal between equals'. I said there are no bases that are forced on any country that I am aware of. The Japanese people may not want our bases there, yet their government does. So who should their problem be with? Regardless, it is not a base that is forced upon Japan.

As for Diego Garcia....

1) It was uninhabited when first discovered
2) It remained that way until the FRENCH put a few settlers on the land in the early 1800's
3) It was purchased by the United Kingdom... not the US... in 1965
4) the US LEASES Diego Garcia from the UK... that lease goes until 2016, with an optional 20 year renewal after that.
5) It was the BRITISH that first established a military base there
6) It was the BRITISH that shut down the plantation on Diego Garcia
7) It was the BRITISH that negotiated the payments to the families that were removed by the BRITISH.

I said the Wilson government, meaning Harold Wilson not Woodrow Wilson.

http://www.diegogarcia.co.uk/

 

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LMAO... I didn't classify it as a 'deal between equals'. I said there are no bases that are forced on any country that I am aware of. The Japanese people may not want our bases there, yet their government does. So who should their problem be with? Regardless, it is not a base that is forced upon Japan.

As for Diego Garcia....

1) It was uninhabited when first discovered
2) It remained that way until the FRENCH put a few settlers on the land in the early 1800's
3) It was purchased by the United Kingdom... not the US... in 1965
4) the US LEASES Diego Garcia from the UK... that lease goes until 2016, with an optional 20 year renewal after that.
5) It was the BRITISH that first established a military base there
6) It was the BRITISH that shut down the plantation on Diego Garcia
7) It was the BRITISH that negotiated the payments to the families that were removed by the BRITISH.

Don't give him facts like that. He wants to believe we're evil and they're not... He's squinting real hard so he can fit the image into what he sees.

 

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I said the Wilson government, meaning Harold Wilson not Woodrow Wilson.

http://www.diegogarcia.co.uk/

Yet you used it as an example of the US... why?

 

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I said the Wilson government, meaning Harold Wilson not Woodrow Wilson.

http://www.diegogarcia.co.uk/

LMAO... so you were trying to show us an example of US imperialism by talking about Diego Garcia that is owned by the UK?

 

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Yet you used it as an example of the US... why?

In this particular case, they were joint partners in crime. The islanders were forcibly ejected to make way for the airbase, which was wanted to fly B52 bombers to Vietnam.

 

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In this particular case, they were joint partners in crime.

there was no crime and if there was, the US had nothing to do with it until the 60's

 

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In this particular case, they were joint partners in crime. The islanders were forcibly ejected to make way for the airbase, which was wanted to fly B52 bombers to Vietnam.

No, they were not. The UK was the owner of the land. The UK is the one that forced them out. The UK is the one that paid the families they removed.

Your trying to associate the US with the actions of the UK is sad.

 

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No, they were not. The UK was the owner of the land. The UK is the one that forced them out. The UK is the one that paid the families they removed.

Your trying to associate the US with the actions of the UK is sad.

 

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I think you know very well how these things work. For instance Diego Garcia was handed over to the US by Wilson government in the 1960s, they even evicted all the populace first and prevented them from coming back. The Japanese aren't very happy with the bases on Okinawa and many other countries have bases as they then get access to US aid and patronage. By the way, that's not always a bad thing but you cannot classify it as a deal between equals.

Outside of one military base, the US leases the rest from the Governments of the countries we have them in.
Governments deal with other Governments. The Governments of those countries answer to their populace, no the US.

 

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LMAO... I didn't classify it as a 'deal between equals'. I said there are no bases that are forced on any country that I am aware of. The Japanese people may not want our bases there, yet their government does. So who should their problem be with? Regardless, it is not a base that is forced upon Japan.

As for Diego Garcia....

1) It was uninhabited when first discovered
2) It remained that way until the FRENCH put a few settlers on the land in the early 1800's
3) It was purchased by the United Kingdom... not the US... in 1965
4) the US LEASES Diego Garcia from the UK... that lease goes until 2016, with an optional 20 year renewal after that.
5) It was the BRITISH that first established a military base there
6) It was the BRITISH that shut down the plantation on Diego Garcia
7) It was the BRITISH that negotiated the payments to the families that were removed by the BRITISH.

OW; now that's going to leave a scar.

 

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No, but thanks for proving you have nothing.

I didn't prove I have nothing by asking a question.

Now back to the original lie without the 50 year qualification/deflection, How do you describe our aquistion of territories, states, possesions and islands?

 

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LMAO.... seriously? You too? We are talking about whether or not the US is currently imperialistic. But if you want to expand the discussion to the Louisiana purchase and the purchase of AK, I suppose we can do that for you.

Are you imperialistic when you buy land?

Wrong. YOU are talking currently (for whatever reason). The rest of us are talking generaly.