I told you so

[canceled.2021.1]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...florist_who_refused_to_cater_gay_wedding.html

I told you this was the real agenda behind queer marriage. Nothing more nothing less an all out assault on freedom of religion. As if you have some innate right to force someone to perform a service for you.

 

[Steelplate]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...florist_who_refused_to_cater_gay_wedding.html

I told you this was the real agenda behind queer marriage. Nothing more nothing less an all out assault on freedom of religion. As if you have some innate right to force someone to perform a service for you.

I bet you pay to have someone perform...ahem.... services for you all the time

The lawsuit is complete bullshit though. Find another florist.

 

[wanderingbear]

Go fuck yourself ILA.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Go fuck yourself ILA.

And you can go live in a basement; oh wait, you already do so.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I bet you pay to have someone perform...ahem.... services for you all the time

The lawsuit is complete bullshit though. Find another florist.

I am going to have to find a replacement for your wife though. She has been a little lax in her duties.

 

[DamnYankee]

Go fuck yourself ILA.

Another thoughtful argumentative position from the board loser.

 

[Timshel]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...florist_who_refused_to_cater_gay_wedding.html

I told you this was the real agenda behind queer marriage. Nothing more nothing less an all out assault on freedom of religion. As if you have some innate right to force someone to perform a service for you.

Can't you read?

The aclu's lawsuit is not based on the legality of same sex marriage.

 

[Steelplate]

Can't you read?

The aclu's lawsuit is not based on the legality of same sex marriage.

It's still a lawsuit that didn't need to be filed. I don't need to sue people every time I get my feelings hurt or am treated unfairly. There are plenty of florists around and if they really want their pound of flesh, they could try to organize a boycott/protest against the florist in question.

The only thing that pisses me off is that these people were long time customers and their money was green enough for all that time.

 

[Granule]

I bet you pay to have someone perform...ahem.... services for you all the time.

Nice, retard. That may have gotten a few laughs in the high school locker room, but not here.

 

[Timshel]

It's still a lawsuit that didn't need to be filed. I don't need to sue people every time I get my feelings hurt or am treated unfairly. There are plenty of florists around and if they really want their pound of flesh, they could try to organize a boycott/protest against the florist in question.

The only thing that pisses me off is that these people were long time customers and their money was green enough for all that time.

I think you are downplaying the harm that discrimination does and trivializing it by comparing it to just getting your feelings hurt.

As the article indicates the same arguments about religion were used to justify racial discrimination. Would you be comfortable allowing discrimination against racial, ethnic and religious minorities?

The cost of such discrimination can harm minorities in ways that go beyond just their feelings. If they have far fewer suppliers they are going to be likely to have to pay more. If allowed it would also limit their employment opportunities. If we are going to allow it then the business owner should probably be required to advertise that they are bigots.

 

[Steelplate]

I think you are downplaying the harm that discrimination does and trivializing it by comparing it to just getting your feelings hurt.

As the article indicates the same arguments about religion were used to justify racial discrimination. Would you be comfortable allowing discrimination against racial, ethnic and religious minorities?

The cost of such discrimination can harm minorities in ways that go beyond just their feelings. If they have far fewer suppliers they are going to be likely to have to pay more. If allowed it would also limit their employment opportunities. If we are going to allow it then the business owner should probably be required to advertise that they are bigots.

So....how far are we going to push this? Forcing all churches to perform the ceremony? If that's the case I will pull a 180 on my stance on gay marriage.

 

[Timshel]

So....how far are we going to push this? Forcing all churches to perform the ceremony? If that's the case I will pull a 180 on my stance on gay marriage.

Churches are not open to the public for business. Their business is their beliefs and you either ascribe to those beliefs or you don't. Churches acting outside of their ecclesiastical functions do not have any exemption and selling flowers is not an exercise of religion. Churches can and do refuse to perform interracial marriages or marriages between people of differing faiths. That's their choice and they would continue to enjoy the same choice in regards to homosexuals.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Churches are not open to the public for business. Their business is their beliefs and you either ascribe to those beliefs or you don't. Churches acting outside of their ecclesiastical functions do not have any exemption and selling flowers is not an exercise of religion. Churches can and do refuse to perform interracial marriages or marriages between people of differing faiths. That's their choice and they would continue to enjoy the same choice in regards to homosexuals.

Several years ago there was a big stink made about some muslim cab drivers refusing to transport alcoholic beverages in their cabs. (I think they refused to carry dogs too)

At that time many of the liberals raved about allowing these cabbies to restrict their fares as their religion dictated, and called for tolerance for their religious beliefs. Shouldn't that same tolerance fit this circumstance?

Find another florist and spread the word that the florist was not gay friendly. That will be enough.

 

[Steelplate]

Churches are not open to the public for business. Their business is their beliefs and you either ascribe to those beliefs or you don't. Churches acting outside of their ecclesiastical functions do not have any exemption and selling flowers is not an exercise of religion. Churches can and do refuse to perform interracial marriages or marriages between people of differing faiths. That's their choice and they would continue to enjoy the same choice in regards to homosexuals.

What about churches that defray part of the cost of running/maintaining itself by having public concerts, wedding receptions etc...in their social halls?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

What about churches that defray part of the cost of running/maintaining itself by having public concerts, wedding receptions etc...in their social halls?

If they're renting out their halls they generally need a permt to do so and refusing to rent could be seen as a violation, within certain guidelines; ie: I doubt they would be found in violation by refusing to rent to a group wanting to hold a demonic ritual.

 

[Disillusioned]

It's still a lawsuit that didn't need to be filed. I don't need to sue people every time I get my feelings hurt or am treated unfairly. There are plenty of florists around and if they really want their pound of flesh, they could try to organize a boycott/protest against the florist in question.

The only thing that pisses me off is that these people were long time customers and their money was green enough for all that time.

A company has the right to refuse service. Give them a refund if they've already paid and be done with it. It's getting to the point where we need an appeals board before people are allowed to sue. This is ridiculous.

 

[Timshel]

Several years ago there was a big stink made about some muslim cab drivers refusing to transport alcoholic beverages in their cabs. (I think they refused to carry dogs too)

At that time many of the liberals raved about allowing these cabbies to restrict their fares as their religion dictated, and called for tolerance for their religious beliefs. Shouldn't that same tolerance fit this circumstance?

Find another florist and spread the word that the florist was not gay friendly. That will be enough.

I don't care what some unnamed liberal said about some vague incident. That really has no relevance as it is not an example of inividious discrimination. Maybe if they refused sevice dogs. But I also don't agree that the cabbies beliefs should be tolerated.

If you are okay with white only restaraunts, businesses that exclude Jews and all the rest of the various examples of the "right" to discriminate then that is one thing but there is no reason to tolerate discrimination against homosexuals only.

 

[Timshel]

What about churches that defray part of the cost of running/maintaining itself by having public concerts, wedding receptions etc...in their social halls?

I already answered that.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

I don't care what some unnamed liberal said about some vague incident. That really has no relevance as it is not an example of inividious discrimination. Maybe if they refused sevice dogs. But I also don't agree that the cabbies beliefs should be tolerated.

If you are okay with white only restaraunts, businesses that exclude Jews and all the rest of the various examples of the "right" to discriminate then that is one thing but there is no reason to tolerate discrimination against homosexuals only.

So you are saying that a privately owned business must accept any customer or job as long as they pay the standard fee? The business owner is not allowed to have any say in the matter?

 

[I'm Watermark]

Nice, retard. That may have gotten a few laughs in the high school locker room, but not here.

I'd bet you 90% of the posters here aren't a bit more mature than your average high school kid.