I told you sycophants the constitution was clear!

FastLane said:
Nope you are the one who is engaging in repeating your failed arguments.

Jarod do you think the authors of the 14th amendment were talking about the statues of illegal immigrants
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I believe the authors of the 14th Amendment most specifically John Bingham understood that while a specific issue might bring about a principal that needs addressing, the constitution should be written for the ages and not specific issues, so they attempt to address broad ideals rather than the specific issues.

If you study the writers and their ideologies you will see this is true. Google John Bingham and Thaddeus Stevens.

They were addressing the idea that America is not about blood and genealogy but about laws and egalitarian ideals. They understood an American is one who chooses to be here, not one whos ancestors created it.

This is where being an American is different than how old world Europeans have seen traditionally viewed citizenship. The idea of “blood and soil” was the bases of Hitler master German race and his attempt to purge Germany of anyone not historically of German blood.

The writers of the 14th, wanted to enshrine the idea that America is about an idea, not race. Anyone can be an American, you had to be of English or French or German blood to be English German or French.

Ronald Reagan gave it great speech about this concept.
 
Jarod said:
I believe the authors of the 14th Amendment most specifically John Bingham understood that while a specific issue might bring about a principal that needs addressing, the constitution should be written for the ages and not specific issues, so they attempt to address broad ideals rather than the specific issues.

If you study the writers and their ideologies you will see this is true. Google John Bingham and Thaddeus Stevens.

They were addressing the idea that America is not about blood and genealogy but about laws and egalitarian ideals. They understood an American is one who chooses to be here, not one whos ancestors created it.

This is where being an American is different than how old world Europeans have seen traditionally viewed citizenship. The idea of “blood and soil” was the bases of Hitler master German race and his attempt to purge Germany of anyone not historically of German blood.
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So you believe a "clump of cells" chooses to be here. Interesting :bigthink:
 
FastLane said:
So you believe a "clump of cells" chooses to be here. Interesting :bigthink:
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If that is all you got out of what I wrote, you are a dumb shit.

Look into it. Being born here makes you an American, being born in Germany did not make you a German. Its a very American ideal, that has vastly been embraced by the modern world.

You need to study up a bit on the men who wrote the 14th, it was a basic idea of the difference from the New England founders verses the Southern "aristocrats".
 
FastLane said:
So you believe a "clump of cells" chooses to be here. Interesting :bigthink:
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The writers of the 14th, wanted to enshrine the idea that America is about an idea, not race. Anyone can be an American, you had to be of English or French or German blood to be English German or French.

Ronald Reagan gave it great speech about this concept.
 
Jarod said:
If that is all you got out of what I wrote, you are a dumb shit.

Look into it. Being born here makes you an American, being born in Germany did not make you a German. Its a very American ideal, that has vastly been embraced by the modern world.

You need to study up a bit on the men who wrote the 14th, it was a basic idea of the difference from the New England founders verses the Southern "aristocrats".
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And yet Congress passed this in 1866 and the 14th amendment passed the the Senate in 1866 and was ratified in 1868. Be it enacted . . . , That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;

Why weren't Indian citizens ? Because they are the subjects of their own governments. Why are the children to two Chinese parents citizens ? Because they are subject to another foreign power. The 14th was never intended to grant citizenship to the children of two illegal aliens.
 
Bingham voted for the Civil Rights act of 1866 and it says "be it enacted.... That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power excluding Indians not taxed, are here by declared to be citizens of the United states. The 14th Amendment was passed in 1866 Bingham wrote most of the 14th amendment also voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1866

Elk V Wilkins was decided in the SCOTUS in 1884 and the justices did not find Elk was a citizen. In fact Indians for the most part were not citizens until after the Snyder Act was passed in 1924. Clearly nothing changed between the passing of the civil rights act of 1866 and the Elk decision. . If two Indian parents couldn't have and American citizen by stepping off the reservations to have a baby BECAUSE the baby was still subject to a foreign power the baby of two Mexican can't have an American citizen simply by stepping over the border.
 
Jarod said:
I believe the authors of the 14th Amendment most specifically John Bingham understood that while a specific issue might bring about a principal that needs addressing, the constitution should be written for the ages and not specific issues, so they attempt to address broad ideals rather than the specific issues.

If you study the writers and their ideologies you will see this is true. Google John Bingham and Thaddeus Stevens.

They were addressing the idea that America is not about blood and genealogy but about laws and egalitarian ideals. They understood an American is one who chooses to be here, not one whos ancestors created it.

This is where being an American is different than how old world Europeans have seen traditionally viewed citizenship. The idea of “blood and soil” was the bases of Hitler master German race and his attempt to purge Germany of anyone not historically of German blood.

The writers of the 14th, wanted to enshrine the idea that America is about an idea, not race. Anyone can be an American, you had to be of English or French or German blood to be English German or French.

Ronald Reagan gave it great speech about this concept.
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...and you despised it. DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!
 
Jarod said:
I believe the authors of the 14th Amendment most specifically John Bingham understood that while a specific issue might bring about a principal that needs addressing, the constitution should be written for the ages and not specific issues, so they attempt to address broad ideals rather than the specific issues.

If you study the writers and their ideologies you will see this is true. Google John Bingham and Thaddeus Stevens.

They were addressing the idea that America is not about blood and genealogy but about laws and egalitarian ideals. They understood an American is one who chooses to be here, not one whos ancestors created it.

This is where being an American is different than how old world Europeans have seen traditionally viewed citizenship. The idea of “blood and soil” was the bases of Hitler master German race and his attempt to purge Germany of anyone not historically of German blood.

The writers of the 14th, wanted to enshrine the idea that America is about an idea, not race. Anyone can be an American, you had to be of English or French or German blood to be English German or French.

Ronald Reagan gave it great speech about this concept.
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Why did John Bingham support the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and not say a word about the Elk V Wilkins decision even though Bingham was very politically active at the time. The Elk decision went against what YOU say Bingham meant by "Jurisdiction thereof " The SCOTUS indicated that meant being subject to the alliegence not physical laws like everyone including Indians were
 
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