IDIOT STATEMENT: If you dont want to make it illegal, you support and condone it!

Dixie,

Please, for the sake of God, release this stubborness....the devil is upon you.

Initially you MAY have had good intentions with your stance, but you're doing the devils deed by not accepting the facts and circumstances before you...allowing more and more infants to be killed for the sake of this stubborness....Satan is who is PROUD of you, not God.

You remind me of the Pharisees and Levites and Priests that refused to help an injured man because it was the Sabbath, or because it was unclean and forbidden to do such according to the Law...Jesus rebuked them for this, as we are rebuking you....He said they did not understand the Law if they were going to follow it in the manner that they did, while a person injured needed their help.

you are being just like what Jesus rebuked.

Please, Change your stance and convince those that you follow to do the same....it will save lives.

Care
 
Care4all said:
Dixie,

Please, for the sake of God, release this stubborness....the devil is upon you.

Initially you MAY have had good intentions with your stance, but you're doing the devils deed by not accepting the facts and circumstances before you...allowing more and more infants to be killed for the sake of this stubborness....Satan is who is PROUD of you, not God.

You remind me of the Pharisees and Levites and Priests that refused to help an injured man because it was the Sabbath, or because it was unclean and forbidden to do such according to the Law...Jesus rebuked them for this, as we are rebuking you....He said they did not understand the Law if they were going to follow it in the manner that they did, while a person injured needed their help.

you are being just like what Jesus rebuked.

Please, Change your stance and convince those that you follow to do the same....it will save lives.

Care
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Satan is also very proud of his position on slave labor: Max it out, to end it by some hypothetical leverage which has never been thoroughly explained to my satisfaction.
 
fyi

The Parable of the Good Samaritan is a famous New Testament parable appearing only in the Gospel of Luke (10:25-37). The parable is told by Jesus to illustrate that compassion should be for all people, and that fulfilling the spirit of the Law is just as important as fulfilling the letter of the Law. Jesus puts the definition of neighbor into an enlarged context, beyond what people usually thought of as a neighbor.

The incident begins when a religious scholar of the Law tests Jesus by asking him what is necessary to inherit eternal life. Jesus asks the lawyer what the Mosaic Law says about it. When the lawyer quotes the scripture, saying "Love God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength and all your mind (Deuteronomy 6:5), and the parallel law of "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18), Jesus says that he has answered correctly— "Do this and you will live," he tells him. See also this section of Ministry of Jesus. This can be understood as meaning that those who follow the law, Jewish or not, will be able to inherit Eternal life. [2]

...... Jesus responds with a parable about a man who was attacked and robbed and left to die by the side of a road. Later, a priest saw the stricken figure and avoided him, presumably in order to maintain ritual purity. [3] Similarly, a Levite saw the man and ignored him as well. Then a Samaritan passed by, and, despite the mutual antipathy between Samaritans and the Jewish population, he immediately rendered assistance by giving him first aid and taking him to an inn to recover while promising to cover the expenses. He gives the innkeeper two denarii, silver coins equal to an entire days wages for an average laborer. [4]

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I realize this parable is more in line with teaching who they should love and who their "neighbor" really was....WHICH IS EVERYONE..... it also brings out why the Levite and the Priest did not help this man...and it was because the LAW said that they could not touch this unclean man on the Sabbath.... and like YOU they stuck with the LAW and passed the injured man by.....as you are sticking with the Law that says one shall not kill....

But Jesus quickly pointed out that breaking the WRITEN Law was what was RIGHT AND JUST in this circumstance and that those that followed the writen Law MUST ALSO FOLLOW THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW.... in order to save a life.

Can you comprehend this....? For the sake of following what you think is in the Law, you are breaking the Law by allowing these infants THAT CAN BE SAVED FROM THIS ACT....be killed.

care
 
AssHatZombie said:
Satan is also very proud of his position on slave labor: Max it out, to end it by some hypothetical leverage which has never been thoroughly explained to my satisfaction.
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one lesson or baby step at a time asshat.... Dixie's head will explode if we try to teach him more than one thing at a time! ;)

care
 
Please, for the sake of God, release this stubborness....the devil is upon you.

Yes Care, you are right, I should release my stubborn acceptance of the truth and the facts, which have yet to be refuted, and just accept the pinhead logic everyone seems to have accepted here! That's what God would be most proud of, I am sure!

Initially you MAY have had good intentions with your stance, but you're doing the devils deed by not accepting the facts and circumstances before you...

Oh, but I have accepted the facts, it seems to be you who is ignoring the facts. I'm sure you have good intentions with your stance, but not accepting the facts is not God's work.

I don't know who is worse, the immoral atheist heathens who think it's no biggie to shove scissors in the skull of infants because they are just a clump of cells, or people who will hide behind God and pretend the facts don't exist.

The only reason we are even debating this, is because the procedure in question contains the word "abortion" and for some Godforsaken reason, we've decided that people can do literally whatever they want, as long as it's abortion. Let's just come up with more cruel and hideous ways to kill babies, why not allow women to torture the fetus for 9 months, before having partial birth? This way she can get out all her frustration with men, take it out on an inanimate object, like her fetus! Why not? Doesn't matter, the fetus isn't going to live anyway, it's not like we really give a shit!

This is one of the most shocking and morally reprehensible procedures you will ever hear about, it is nothing short of legal infanticide, and I can't think of a worse way to come into or leave this world, than having a pair of stainless steel scissors rammed into your skull and your brains sucked out... can you?

I've shown you the evidence and facts, I've shown where the procedure is NEVER used on mothers at risk, NEVER used to save the mothers life, and would NEVER be used in any such situation. I've not given you my opinion, but the expert clinical opinions of more than 400 women's health professionals, including the former Surgeon General. Still, you continue to assert that I am 'ignoring the facts' and 'being stubborn' when that isn't the case at all. YOU are the ones ignoring the facts and being stubborn, and it's ALL about politics! Every one of you should be ashamed of yourself for this!
 
Can you comprehend this....? For the sake of following what you think is in the Law, you are breaking the Law by allowing these infants THAT CAN BE SAVED FROM THIS ACT....be killed.

The partial birth abortion ban was passed three times by Congress without any exception or caveat. It certainly IS the law, and should be in force as we speak. The reason it is not, is the fault of liberal abortion rights advocates, who immediately tied the bill up in the courts, and plan to carry it all the way to the Supreme Court. It's a nice try to attempt blaming this on me, but I didn't decide to litigate a bill that was passed three times by a bipartisan majority in Congress. I fully support the will of the people, and the law passed by the people we elected to pass law. It is YOU who is standing with the abortionists as they obstruct and blow smoke screens, because you are a liberal, and you've been told to fight this issue to the death. This is about your politics, your precious liberal political party, and your hatred and bitterness toward the right wing. You had just as soon ignore the facts and the truth, and keep promoting infanticide, than accept a viewpoint from the right, no matter how much sense it makes, how many facts support it, or what anyone has to say about it. You're just going to simply ignore fact, continue to assert that I am being stubborn and misleading, and pretend you are some moral crusader who knows what God wants. You make me sick to my stomach.
 
the reason we are discussing this is because of ''precedence'' in our laws that have deemed the health of the mother as an exception as necessary to be constitutional.

your side knows THIS yet they chose over and over again to not put this exception in their bills to ban this procedure.

this is the only reason a ban on this procedure is not in place now.

you personally, can take credit for these deaths by this procedure continuing.

subject CLOSED.

hope you are happy!

i should have expected nothing less from a man that believes in killing innocent people in an unjust war.

Care
 
the reason we are discussing this is because of ''precedence'' in our laws that have deemed the health of the mother as an exception as necessary to be constitutional.

But the health of the mother is not at issue here. This is an elective medical procedure, do you understand what that means? The woman elects to have it done, over other possible procedures available. The procedure is never a medical necessity, as testified to by countless people who perform this procedure every day. Never is the case, where a woman would require this procedure to save her life, or protect her physical health. It doesn't exist, and is impossible to ever exist, do you not understand that?

So, the argument that we need to allow for something that doesn't exist, raises the question, why? The only apparent and logical reason I can find, is so that abortionists could continue to do the procedure under the guise of 'mental health' and nothing would change. The bill would not stop one single partial birth abortion, with such a loophole.

For whatever reason, it seems that many ignorant people have accepted the falsehood that this procedure might possibly be required to save a woman's life or health, and they've simply refused to educate themselves on the facts. Partial birth is no more used to save a life or preserve health, than having breast implant surgery! THAT is the fact! It is a totally elective procedure that is NEVER used on women who have any sort of health issues, or might even be considered at risk.... doesn't happen! NEVER! IF a woman were at risk, there are countless other alternatives that should, could, and WOULD be used to protect her life and health, and partial birth abortion would never be considered under ANY circumstance. What part of this are you not comprehending?

This is about politics, for you and the rest of you who are arguing against me here. Not a one of you have given any factual evidence to support your absurd argument, and you can't! There IS no justification! You simply want to ignore the facts and insist on some irrelevant caveat that was proven to be unnecessary. WHY? Because you are a liberal, and this has been stigmatized as a "right wing" issue. This is a MORAL issue!
 
subject CLOSED

No, I am afraid it's NOT closed. It's not going to ever be closed, until we have banned the hideous and barbaric procedure forever. I don't give a damn how well you liberals have brainwashed people on this, the people who are well-educated on the facts and KNOW what is the truth, are not going to stand for this, EVER! So this isn't going away, if the SCOTUS happens to overturn the law passed by Congress, there are Constitutional ways to implement the law, and those will be used.
 
wow, 348 posts later, and this thread is just about like every other thread about abortion that I've ever seen, on every other message board I've been on:

Bunch of middle aged white guys, pontificating with absolute certitude what women and doctors should be doing.
 
Cypress said:
wow, 348 posts later, and this thread is just about like every other thread about abortion that I've ever seen, on every other message board I've been on:

Bunch of middle aged white guys, pontificating with absolute certitude what women and doctors should be doing.
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With the occasional chime in from the "If you ain't a black man you can't represent a black man!" or the "If you aren't a woman you can't possibly have a reason to end late term abortion" crowd.

The argument that nobody except a woman and a doctor can have an opinion on this is worthless. It is exactly the same as saying that nobody but a black man can represent a black man.
 
Dixie's position on killing is either contradictory or evidence of the use of moral relativism.

He claims to be a moral absolutist. He claims abortion is immoral as it 'ends a human life', yet supports openly the death penalty.
 
AnyOldIron said:
Dixie's position on killing is either contradictory or evidence of the use of moral relativism.

He claims to be a moral absolutist. He claims abortion is immoral as it 'ends a human life', yet supports openly the death penalty.
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And don't forget he supports the killing, killing and killing done in unnecessary wars.... :(
 
Dixie worships his own mind and uses his own judgement to corrupt the word of God.
 
Jarod said:
Dixie worships his own mind and uses his own judgement to corrupt the word of God.
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Oh... my... GOD! Talk about going to the extremes to take a cheap shot at Dixie!

I have no problem arguing partial birth abortion from a religious or spiritual perspective, if that is going to be the basis for discussion. I just don't think it is rational to make religious doctrine the basis for debating what we establish as law of the land... call it 'separation of church and state' if you will.

Care did her best to get me derailed off into a religious argument, where the liberal God-haters could come in and clean up, but I didn't fall for it. I don't think religious interps are required here, so I haven't allowed them. Now, you want to suddenly become self-righteous and accuse me of corrupting God's word! You people never cease to amaze me!
 
I just don't think it is rational to make religious doctrine the basis for debating what we establish as law of the land... call it 'separation of church and state' if you will.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 
I can only take your laughter to mean you disagree with that statement. Coupled with the self-righteous post before that, I'd say you are turning into quite the holly roller, Jarhead.

Hey, that reminds me of a joke... What do you get when a pinhead message board geek finds religion?

...Brent! HAHAHAHAHAHA! :D
 
Damocles said:
With the occasional chime in from the "If you ain't a black man you can't represent a black man!" or the "If you aren't a woman you can't possibly have a reason to end late term abortion" crowd.

The argument that nobody except a woman and a doctor can have an opinion on this is worthless. It is exactly the same as saying that nobody but a black man can represent a black man.
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If that were the argument then, yes, it would be worthless. That ain't it though.

The stridency and emotional violence of many male anti-abortionists is hypocritical in the extreme.
 
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