If Christianity is true, why is there so much evil in the world?

Damocles said:
As I stated, who says this God couldn't do such a thing? Then I asked why you would want to live in such a place? If you are to create people rather than automatons you need to give them options, without choices free will is useless. If you have no choices but to sit around and sing praises to the God why would you want to exist in such a place?
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Well, why isn't he doing it?
Nope, nice try, but a world without disease and hunger would not be a world with no choice.
I think it's obvious at this point that you just want to believe in a god, regardless of logic.
 
StoneByStone said:
So children have to suffer and die, that way we can save some of them? That's insane.
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But aren't less children (and adults) dying, due to people using their FREE WILL to find and develop the things that will stop them from dying, when compared to just 100 years ago??
 
StoneByStone said:
So why can't this god recreate the Garden of Eden, this time without the tree of forbidden fruit? Why put the tree there in the first place?
And please don't give me a lame answer about "free will."
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But FREE WILL is not lame; except to those that are afraid that they've made so many negative choices, that they now fear the consequences of their behavior.

:truestory:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But aren't less children (and adults) dying, due to people using their FREE WILL to find and develop the things that will stop them from dying, when compared to just 100 years ago??
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Well there is no free will, so that's a fallacious question. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/
But yes, there are less people dying of disease and hunger today. However, if there was a god, then that god is still sadistically allowing people to suffer. What you're basically saying is that Stalin was good because he created a situation where people could try to survive starvation in Ukraine. It's an absurd argument that is only used for religion, but never anything else.
 
StoneByStone said:
Well, why isn't he doing it?
Nope, nice try, but a world without disease and hunger would not be a world with no choice.
I think it's obvious at this point that you just want to believe in a god, regardless of logic.
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What's really obvious; is that you're using your FREE WILL to continue arguing this, instead of letting it go. :D
 
StoneByStone said:
Well there is no free will, so that's a fallacious question. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/
But yes, there are less people dying of disease and hunger today. However, if there was a god, then that god is still sadistically allowing people to suffer. What you're basically saying is that Stalin was good because he created a situation where people could try to survive starvation in Ukraine. It's an absurd argument that is only used for religion, but never anything else.
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Then why haven't you stopped posting, unless your saying that you were scripted to be an idiot!! :dunno:
 
StoneByStone said:
Well, why isn't he doing it?
Nope, nice try, but a world without disease and hunger would not be a world with no choice.
I think it's obvious at this point that you just want to believe in a god, regardless of logic.
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It isn't a "want to believe" it is the premise of the conversation. I am not a Christian. I personally do not believe that any of this is true.

Though this world with no disease and hunger will exist if the premise holds true. Once God returns to bring the faithful to paradise. Once this God fulfills the promise. This "Why doesn't he do it now?" question assumes knowledge not in the original premise. If the premise holds true though, I will not be joining y'all in paradise.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't a "want to believe" it is the premise of the conversation. I am not a Christian. I personally do not believe that any of this is true.

Though this world with no disease and hunger will exist if the premise holds true. Once God returns to bring the faithful to paradise. Once this God fulfills the promise. This "Why doesn't he do it now?" question assumes knowledge not in the original premise. If the premise holds true though, I will not be joining y'all in paradise.
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But you do "believe" in a god. So you can't accept that a good god wouldn't let suffering occur.
Saying he's going to do it at some point does not explain why he's allowing suffering now.
 
StoneByStone said:
Well there is no free will, so that's a fallacious question. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/
But yes, there are less people dying of disease and hunger today. However, if there was a god, then that god is still sadistically allowing people to suffer. What you're basically saying is that Stalin was good because he created a situation where people could try to survive starvation in Ukraine. It's an absurd argument that is only used for religion, but never anything else.
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Not really, it is explained in the Creation story in the Bible. Marking the original premise "If Christianity is true, ..." we have to simply look at the documents. Struggle is directly related to humans introducing evil into the world and the action of the God. I explained what happened at that time. God sought them out, talked to them, clothed them, explained what was going to happen, then did as the God said it would while promising a return to grace through a later promise. When this God returns and takes his people to paradise everything you are wishing for will be for the faithful. I will not be one of them...
 
Damocles said:
Not really, it is explained in the Creation story in the Bible. Marking the original premise "If Christianity is true, ..." we have to simply look at the documents. Struggle is directly related to humans introducing evil into the world and the action of the God. I explained what happened at that time. God sought them out, talked to them, clothed them, explained what was going to happen, then did as the God said it would while promising a return to grace through a later promise. When this God returns and takes his people to paradise everything you are wishing for will be for the faithful. I will not be one of them...
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You could also make the assumption that Yahweh is evil, and that's why he allows suffering.
The traditional Christian interpretation of the story does not make sense. Now you could say it's religion, it's not supposed to make sense. But if we're going to analyze it logically, the logically answer is that Yahweh is either evil or insane.
 
StoneByStone said:
But you do "believe" in a god. So you can't accept that a good god wouldn't let suffering occur.
Saying he's going to do it at some point does not explain why he's allowing suffering now.
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I do not. I work within the premise of the conversation. I do not understand your insistence that my adherence to the topic at hand where we make a first assumption, "If Christianity is true, ..." means that I believe this stuff. I am solely speaking of a hypothetical situation wherein Christianity is true.

As for your, "he doesn't explain", your are wrong, he does explain and I told you when, what was said, and why we suffer. When God removed the creation from the garden he flat told them why, what would happen, clothed them, told them of a future where grace will be restored, and then fulfilled what he said he would do at that time. In the future, assuming the original premise, your world with no suffering will exist for those who kept faith with this God.
 
StoneByStone said:
You could also make the assumption that Yahweh is evil, and that's why he allows suffering.
The traditional Christian interpretation of the story does not make sense. Now you could say it's religion, it's not supposed to make sense. But if we're going to analyze it logically, the logically answer is that Yahweh is either evil or insane.
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No, when working within the original premise, nothing that is the will of this God can be defined as evil. He doesn't "allow" suffering, it is humankind's punishment for introducing evil into the world by acting against the will of the Creator. While he punished the creation he promised a future where grace would be restored and promised later that those who believed would go to paradise and exist in the world that you imagine would be perfect.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't a "want to believe" it is the premise of the conversation. I am not a Christian. I personally do not believe that any of this is true.

Though this world with no disease and hunger will exist if the premise holds true. Once God returns to bring the faithful to paradise. Once this God fulfills the promise. This "Why doesn't he do it now?" question assumes knowledge not in the original premise. If the premise holds true though, I will not be joining y'all in paradise.
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Why is that?
 
StoneByStone said:
But you do "believe" in a god. So you can't accept that a good god wouldn't let suffering occur.
Saying he's going to do it at some point does not explain why he's allowing suffering now.
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But it's people who cause and allow suffering to occur (FREE WILL), not GOD.
 
Damocles said:
No, when working within the original premise, nothing that is the will of this God can be defined as evil. He doesn't "allow" suffering, it is humankind's punishment for introducing evil into the world by acting against the will of the Creator. While he punished the creation he promised a future where grace would be restored and promised later that those who believed would go to paradise and exist in the world that you imagine would be perfect.
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Allowing something to happen that results in suffering is allowing suffering. It makes more sense within the narrative to believe Yahweh is a sadist.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And it's apparently your FREE WILL that keeps you posting replies. :good4u:

:laugh:
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It appears that StoneByStone is groaning over the realization that his FREE WILL, is the reason he continues to be part of this conversation.

It's nice to see, when someone finally sees the big picture. :good4u:
 
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