‘If God is dead, then everything is permitted.’

PostmodernProphet said:
your religion said that 3000 years ago based upon the 'science' that the unborn was just water....which is odd, given that your holy writ says God knits us together in the womb........I guess those rabbis forgot to read their scriptures that day.......I wonder if they were the sort God spoke harshly of through his prophets......
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Honest to God, your kind spent the last 2,000 years murdering us, forcibly converting us, exiling us, treating us like second and third class citizens, and locking us away in ghettos. And then you have the brass balls to complain about our texts? Fuck you. You bet your sweet ass we despise people like you, you filthy subhuman goyim dipshit.

You are monsters of iniquity. You treat your own poor, children and refugees like shit too. Shame on you.

You deserve all the hate thrown upon your kind
 
Cypress said:
The question to me is whether there is a natural law, or whether everything just comes down to positive law (laws, norms, and codes made up by humans).

I've always been on Team Plato, Team Jefferson, and Team Confucious: there is a natural law that exceeds the laws of man and government. African slaves were entitled to liberty regardless of what the laws and customs of Southern plantation owners said. Jews had a natural right to life and personal dignity, regardless of what the laws of Nazi Germany said. Solzhenitsyn and Anna Akhmatova had a natural right to personal conscience, irrespective of what was written in the laws of Stalin.
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Man kinds survival depended on people being kind and fair to their fellow tribe member long before any laws were codified by any society


That is the natural law


Survival law


Kindness for those who are a weak link in the society


Like children and the elderly


The 6 month pregnant female


The injured nursed back to health


The bonds that tie


Love


Compassion



That is this natural law
 
PostmodernProphet said:
your religion said that 3000 years ago based upon the 'science' that the unborn was just water....which is odd, given that your holy writ says God knits us together in the womb........I guess those rabbis forgot to read their scriptures that day.......I wonder if they were the sort God spoke harshly of through his prophets.....

As the alternative would be Islam science of Arab oil is just business as the unborn being water also are just business in that Islam human reproduction medical pseudoscience immaculate virgin Mary son of Allah Jesus the Christ conception where the business of Christiananality pedophilia forgiving themselves results in "death to the infidels" more perfect union to "serve the Pope or die" tautology diatribe of SCOTUS Rehnquist Fourth Reich July 9/11 thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists of those burning Bush's "it's just a God damn piece of paper" patriot act Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate fiefdom drug trafficking enforcement Mengele "Angel of Death" baptize thine eyes by urinations nuke Temple Mount along with Mohammed flying carpets to Valhalla martyrdom baptize thine NYC World Trade Towers & Washington, D.C. Pentagon national religion of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" Islamidiotocracy....
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PostmodernProphet said:
no I don't think either the mother or the father is optional, but I think killing your children is not only optional, but a bad option......
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I agree that abortion is a bad option. Unlike the pious who just want to be seen by men for their piety, I don't feel like victimizing women is the right approach to limiting abortion. That's why I put my efforts where morality REALLY lives: I vote for better welfare, better social safety net, improved access to healthcare.

It's easy to stand on a street corner and scream at women who are in pain. It takes REAL STRENGTH OF CHARACTER TO MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

Most pro-lifers couldn't care less about the born. All they care about is the "unborn" because the unborn are so easy to love and the born are messy and hard to deal with.
 
BidenPresident said:
The modern form of the philosophical (or meta-ethical) problem of moral realism may be thought to confront a greater test than its predecessors. Its peculiar challenge was famously expressed in Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov: ‘If God is dead, then everything is permitted.’

Among the more influential philosophical doctrines of the twentieth century was logical positivism which claimed that moral statements are essentially meaningless since they are factually uncheckable. Ethical judgements were defined by the leading English proponent of logical positivism, Freddie Ayer (1910-1989), as emotional ejaculations entirely devoid of reason.

https://drb.ie/articles/climbing-mount-improbable/
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Ayer was not a philosopher. He simply tried to redefine words and deny any god or gods (which is a religion).
He even tried to justify illegal behavior with his outlook.
 
Yakuda said:
Besides the fact that God isn't dead, without God there is no valid reason to prohibit anything.
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No? How about the indiscriminate taking of human life? How about the indiscriminate taking of property? What about your inherent rights, which you have simply because you are a living thing?
 
Jarod said:
Sure there is, lots of reasons. The rights of man, the efficiency of Capitalism. The allowing each to make their own choices as to how to live. Just a few off the top of my head.
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Odd that you wish to take away rights of men, and support the inefficiency of Socialism, take away choices about how people can live, etc.
And don't try to deny what you are or your own posts.
 
guno said:
Honest to God, your kind spent the last 2,000 years murdering us, forcibly converting us, exiling us, treating us like second and third class citizens, and locking us away in ghettos. And then you have the brass balls to complain about our texts? Fuck you. You bet your sweet ass we despise people like you, you filthy subhuman goyim dipshit.

You are monsters of iniquity. You treat your own poor, children and refugees like shit too. Shame on you.

You deserve all the hate thrown upon your kind
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You cannot be forcibly converted. No one locked you away in a ghetto. I guess you forgot the teachings of Moses, which is also part of Christian scripture. Your own bigotry and hate is your own worst enemy.
You do not conform to the teachings of any scripture or the teaching of a rabbi.
 
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