If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[ZenMode]

RQAA

Oh, I know. I just keep thinking that you'll come to your sense and stop defending the genocide of children at the hands of you "all-loving god".

Guess not.

 

[ZenMode]

Ummm, I don't defend Pharaoh's behavior. What he did during that time period was wrong.

No, you defend the genocide of children at the hands of your "all-loving god" and it's laughably embarrassing.

RQAA, but I'll go through some relevant info again for anyone who hasn't followed along.

1- Pharaoh (Egypt) had earlier ordered all Israelite newborn males be killed. (See Exodus 1 for details)
2- God repeatedly warned Pharaoh what would happen if he kept refusing to let the Israelites go free.
3- God was very patient with Pharaoh, giving him multiple chances to avoid the consequences.
4- God only spared the Israelite firstborns so long as they had faith in him and put lamb's blood on their doorposts. (IOW, they likewise had to obey or face the consequences)
5- God acted consistently with his Genesis 12 covenant.
6- It did not pleasure God for the Egyptian firstborns to die, but the continued misbehavior by Pharaoh (Egypt) left him no choice but to respond appropriately (since he is a JUST God).
7- "Firstborn" does not necessarily mean "child" (or "infant/toddler").
8- Some Egyptians chose to fear the word of the LORD and did as he said, so they were likewise spared from the warned plague(s). (e.g. Exodus 9)
9- How could a "just"/"righteous" God turn a blind eye on the oppression of the Israelites?
10- There are many other accounts in The Bible where God is likewise "just" towards the Israelites whenever THEY sin.
11- "For the wages of sin is death" (but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our LORD).

A "firstborn" isn't necessarily a "2 week old" or a "2 year old".

Young children of only a few years old are already old enough to understand the concept of "If you don't do this thing that I told you to do, then this other thing will happen as a result of your misconduct".

Right, so you're putting at the feet of children to, what, release the Israelite themselves? Should the children go fight Pharoah and his army so their God won't slaughter them?

You know, if your god had absolute control of his creation, why didn't he find an option to free the Jews without genocide of innocent children?

 

[Cypress]

Explain precisely how matter, spacetime, and energy is "not" the universe

The Universe is not 'spacetime'!!!

Every astronomy and cosmology class I took, book I've read, podcast I watched talks about the universe almost exclusively in terms of matter, spacetime, and energy.

Explain precisely what you think the universe is, leaving out any reference to or mention of matter, spacetime, and energy.

 

[Monad Portal]

Every astronomy and cosmology class I took, book I've read, podcast I watched talks about the universe almost exclusively in terms of matter, spacetime, and energy.

Explain precisely what you think the universe is, leaving out any reference to or mention of matter, spacetime, and energy.

the Lord.

 

[Monad Portal]

and Dan Bongino is over.

fucking tool.

 

[IBDaMann]

ftfy...No matter how much your ego wants the universe to be purely random,

When did the universe's randomness become what I wanted? What I wanted was for you to point out which randomness tests the universe fails.

unorganized, unpredictable, your emotions will never trump the facts.

Now I remember, you don't know what a fact is, explaining why your post doesn't make much sense.

Even Einstein famously said

It wasn't all that famous.

the most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it's comprehensible.

You don't even know what he meant by that remark.

If you want to be honest with yourself,

You are the one insisting that the universe fails randomness tests yet won't say which ones. Are you claiming to know every collision.

the reason you are so hostile to a lawful/organized universe

There has never been a lawful/organized universe towards which I could be hostile.

is because you know it seems to potentially insinuate ...

Did you really just write that? Have you always been this direct?

an underlying rationality and agency.

I have never attempted to hold a conversation with a random dust cloud so I don't know how rational or witty one might be.

 

[gfm7175]

No, you defend the genocide of children at the hands of your "all-loving god" and it's laughably embarrassing.

No genocide of children occurred. Stop flailing around hyperbolically and stick to the Bible's account of what actually happened.

Right, so you're putting at the feet of children to, what, release the Israelite themselves? Should the children go fight Pharoah and his army so their God won't slaughter them?

You very clearly didn't read through the points that I mentioned, choosing to still steamroll ahead with your "children" nonsense.

You know, if your god had absolute control of his creation,

... then there wouldn't be such a thing as "free will"?

why didn't he find an option to free the Jews without genocide of innocent children?

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

Ummm, I don't defend Pharaoh's behavior. What he did during that time period was wrong.

RQAA, but I'll go through some relevant info again for anyone who hasn't followed along.

1- Pharaoh (Egypt) had earlier ordered all Israelite newborn males be killed. (See Exodus 1 for details)
2- God repeatedly warned Pharaoh what would happen if he kept refusing to let the Israelites go free.
3- God was very patient with Pharaoh, giving him multiple chances to avoid the consequences.
4- God only spared the Israelite firstborns so long as they had faith in him and put lamb's blood on their doorposts. (IOW, they likewise had to obey or face the consequences)
5- God acted consistently with his Genesis 12 covenant.
6- It did not pleasure God for the Egyptian firstborns to die, but the continued misbehavior by Pharaoh (Egypt) left him no choice but to respond appropriately (since he is a JUST God).
7- "Firstborn" does not necessarily mean "child" (or "infant/toddler").
8- Some Egyptians chose to fear the word of the LORD and did as he said, so they were likewise spared from the warned plague(s). (e.g. Exodus 9)
9- How could a "just"/"righteous" God turn a blind eye on the oppression of the Israelites?
10- There are many other accounts in The Bible where God is likewise "just" towards the Israelites whenever THEY sin.
11- "For the wages of sin is death" (but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our LORD).

A "firstborn" isn't necessarily a "2 week old" or a "2 year old".

Young children of only a few years old are already old enough to understand the concept of "If you don't do this thing that I told you to do, then this other thing will happen as a result of your misconduct".

He is trying to deny the presence of evil.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh, I know. I just keep thinking that you'll come to your sense and stop defending the genocide of children at the hands of you "all-loving god".

Guess not.

And you continue your mindless chant. Argument of the Stone fallacy. RAAA

 

[Into the Night]

No, you defend the genocide of children at the hands of your "all-loving god" and it's laughably embarrassing.

Right, so you're putting at the feet of children to, what, release the Israelite themselves? Should the children go fight Pharoah and his army so their God won't slaughter them?

You know, if your god had absolute control of his creation, why didn't he find an option to free the Jews without genocide of innocent children?

More mindless chant. Argument of the Stone fallacy. RAAA.

 

[ZenMode]

No genocide of children occurred. Stop flailing around hyperbolically and stick to the Bible's account of what actually happened.

Pick the word you like that reference the mass killing of the first born, some number of which will absolutely be infants, toddlers, etc

You very clearly didn't read through the points that I mentioned, choosing to still steamroll ahead with your "children" nonsense.

I did and it still comes down to your god killing innocent children, apparently because Pharoah didn't free the Israelites.

That's not psychotic at all.

... then there wouldn't be such a thing as "free will"?

Right, so you all-loving, gracious God orchestrated a situation whereby he'd have to kill large numbers of innocent children. I mean, he's god. Why didn't he just put Pharoah and his army to sleep or hurl them into a nearby lake while they were sleeping rather than killing all the children?

RQAA.

Oh I know and it still makes zero sense that you'd condone the slaughter of children.

 

[ZenMode]

More mindless chant. Argument of the Stone fallacy. RAAA.

The fact that you can't muster an answer doesn't make anything mindless.

 

[Into the Night]

Every astronomy and cosmology class I took, book I've read, podcast I watched talks about the universe almost exclusively in terms of matter, spacetime, and energy.

The Universe is not a class. The Universe is not 'spacetime'. The Universe is not organized. Matter is not organized.

Explain precisely what you think the universe is, leaving out any reference to or mention of matter, spacetime, and energy.

RQAA, but I will answer it AGAIN. Read it this time

The Universe has no known boundary. It has no size. It is a random cloud of dust, some of which have formed into stars, planets, moons, and asteroids. It is an infinite volume, for all we know. Therefore, energy is at maximum entropy. The entropy of the Universe does not change. Also, therefore, it consists of an infinite amount of matter, which is also unorganized. There is only one Universe, by definition.

It is not math.
It is not equations.
It is not life.
It is not biology.
It is not a buzzword.
It is not an intelligence.

The Universe is unorganized. It's matter is unorganized. It's energy is at maximum entropy.

 

[Into the Night]

Pick the word you like that reference the mass killing of the first born, some number of which will absolutely be infants, toddlers, etc

A curse, that Pharaoh place upon his own people.

I did and it still comes down to your god killing innocent children, apparently because Pharoah didn't free the Israelites.

God can kill anyone He wants anytime He wants to. He has full control over his own creation. Death is not permanent, thanks to the gift of Jesus Christ and God.

That's not psychotic at all.

Nope. EVERYONE on Earth is part of God's creation. Pharaoh was psychotic. He wanted to kill the first born of every Jew. He does not have that authority.

Right, so you all-loving, gracious God orchestrated a situation whereby he'd have to kill large numbers of innocent children.

No. Pharaoh did. God is not Pharoah.

I mean, he's god. Why didn't he just put Pharoah and his army

God destroyed Pharoah's army.

to sleep or hurl them into a nearby lake while they were sleeping rather than killing all the children?

'First born' does not mean children.
PHARAOH wanted to murder babies.

Oh I know and it still makes zero sense that you'd condone the slaughter of children.

I don't, moron. I never agreed with Pharaoh's edict to kill babies. Pharaoh brought his own curses upon his own people.

Playing word games with scripture like you do does not invalidate either the scripture or God.

 

[gfm7175]

Pick the word you like that reference the mass killing of the first born, some number of which will absolutely be infants, toddlers, etc

Before we move on with this thought (even though it's already been addressed), how old do you suppose ALL the Hebrew newborn males were (that the Egyptians were killing per Pharaoh's order at the end of Exodus 1)?

I did and it still comes down to your god killing innocent children, apparently because Pharoah didn't free the Israelites.

Before we move on with this thought (even though it's already been addressed), was Pharaoh already "killing innocent Hebrew children"?

That's not psychotic at all.

God's actions were not psychotic. They were perfectly just. Pharaoh's actions, on the other hand, were psychotic.

Right, so you all-loving, gracious God orchestrated a situation whereby he'd have to kill large numbers of innocent children. I mean, he's god. Why didn't he just put Pharoah and his army to sleep or hurl them into a nearby lake while they were sleeping rather than killing all the children?

Oh I know and it still makes zero sense that you'd condone the slaughter of children.

What "innocent children"? The Hebrew newborn males who were being killed by the Egyptians?

I don't condone such slaughter, and neither did God, which is why he eventually issued just judgement upon the Egyptians who were doing it.

 

[Monad Portal]

A curse, that Pharaoh place upon his own people.

God can kill anyone He wants anytime He wants to. He has full control over his own creation. Death is not permanent, thanks to the gift of Jesus Christ and God.

Nope. EVERYONE on Earth is part of God's creation. Pharaoh was psychotic. He wanted to kill the first born of every Jew. He does not have that authority.

No. Pharaoh did. God is not Pharoah.

God destroyed Pharoah's army.

'First born' does not mean children.
PHARAOH wanted to murder babies.

I don't, moron. I never agreed with Pharaoh's edict to kill babies. Pharaoh brought his own curses upon his own people.

Playing word games with scripture like you do does not invalidate either the scripture or God.

you're a mentally diseased pschotic mass murderer.

just like your fake demon god yaldabaoth.

 

[ZenMode]

A curse, that Pharaoh place upon his own people.

God can kill anyone He wants anytime He wants to. He has full control over his own creation. Death is not permanent, thanks to the gift of Jesus Christ and God.

Right....and since he DID kill innocent children, he's a homicidal psychopath. I mean, if any human did what he did, they'd be viewed the same way.

Nope. EVERYONE on Earth is part of God's creation. Pharaoh was psychotic. He wanted to kill the first born of every Jew. He does not have that authority.

Right. God could have stopped that, too, just as he could stop all the sexual/physical abuse of children the world. He doesn't. He just watches.

No. Pharaoh did. God is not Pharoah.

Nope. God is good. He chose to do what he did.

God destroyed Pharoah's army.

But killed the children first.

'First born' does not mean children.

Some absolutely were.

PHARAOH wanted to murder babies.

Well, it's a good thing God stopped him...so he could turn around and kill the other babies.

I don't, moron. I never agreed with Pharaoh's edict to kill babies.

I never agreed with God's edict to kill babies.

Pharaoh brought his own curses upon his own people.

He made God kill all the babies?

Playing word games with scripture like you do does not invalidate either the scripture or God.

I'm not playing anything. Just telling you what your God did.... because he apparently only likes certain dead babies.

 

[ZenMode]

Before we move on with this thought (even though it's already been addressed), how old do you suppose ALL the Hebrew newborn males were (that the Egyptians were killing per Pharaoh's order at the end of Exodus 1)?

Probably a variety of ages, just like the Israelite children were a variety of ages.

Before we move on with this thought (even though it's already been addressed), was Pharaoh already "killing innocent Hebrew children"?

God could have stopped that, too...but chose not to. Would you, if you were God, stand by and watch that happen? I wouldn't.

God's actions were not psychotic. They were perfectly just. Pharaoh's actions, on the other hand, were psychotic.

Maybe kill Pharaoh rather than the children?

What "innocent children"? The Hebrew newborn males who were being killed by the Egyptians?

The ones killed on Passover who had absolutely nothing to do with Pharoah's actions?

I don't condone such slaughter, and neither did God, which is why he eventually issued just judgement upon the Egyptians who were doing it.

After he slaughtered all the first born on Passover, of course. After that he didn't condone it.

 

[Into the Night]

The fact that you can't muster an answer doesn't make anything mindless.

RQAA

 

[Into the Night]

Right....and since he DID kill innocent children, he's a homicidal psychopath.

Pharoah? Yes he was.

I mean, if any human did what he did, they'd be viewed the same way.

And that's how I view him.

Right. God could have stopped that, too, just as he could stop all the sexual/physical abuse of children the world. He doesn't. He just watches.

God does not rule by force. That is Satan's teaching.

Nope. God is good. He chose to do what he did.

Pharaoh is not God.

But killed the children first.

Pharaoh is not God.

Some absolutely were.

So? Pharaoh is not God.

Well, it's a good thing God stopped him...so he could turn around and kill the other babies.

What 'other babies'?

I never agreed with God's edict to kill babies.

Pharaoh is not God.

He made God kill all the babies?

Pharaoh is not God.

I'm not playing anything.

Lie.

Just telling you what your God did.... because he apparently only likes certain dead babies.

Pharaoh is not God.