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[Freddy Figbottom]

Hardly anybody on this board practices the golden rule here.

I'm constantly being cussed at and insulted, as are others.

If the Golden rule is so rational and so natural to humans, why do we ignore it most of the time?

Everyone here has to constantly make the decision to do either what feels good, or do what they know they ought to do.

It's that 'ought to do' voice in our conscience that is curiously unique to human beings, and seems to be universal to almost all people, outside of sociopathic outliers and the mentally damaged.

stfu, pussy.

 

[Cypress]

TO WHOM do humans have "inate value"? Just curious.

You have to be kidding.
You refuse to answer questions other people ask, but then you want posters to answer your questions? --->

Actually, I asked something in my #83 that does require some sort of response...And my question in my #275 should get a response.

Ok. That’s nice. When I get around to it

 

[gmark77]

You have to be kidding.

Nope. Sorry but since I don't believe God is out there I'm curious who, other than just other humans, you think humans have an inate value to.

You creationists get so bent so easily.

 

[Apostle_Frank]

Here's why moral relativists like Into the Night and Freddy Figbottom perceive, but won't openly say, that there is some kind of universal standard for how to treat other people.

Do you mean across all cultures or across the entire cosmos?

 

[gmark77]

You refuse to answer questions other people ask, but then you want posters to answer your questions? --->

Funny how the Chief JPP Hypocrite calls out hypocrisy in others.

Every day you look more and more and more like Donald J. Trump. You are a blowhard who seems to know little on his own (hence your CONSTANT frantic use of Google AI and WIkipedia) and you accuse others of crimes you commit literally every day.

Huh.

Funny.

Not surprising given whom you are and whom you associate with.

 

[Apostle_Frank]

Is the thought that the existence of consistent morality across cultures indicates that there is a God? Not sure I'm following here.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Here's why moral relativists like Into the Night and Freddy Figbottom perceive, but won't openly say, that there is some kind of universal standard for how to treat other people.

I'm not a moral relativist.

I believe morality is a fairly fixed thing.

its a set of attitudes and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.

 

[Into the Night]

It's irrelevant. It is discarded.

It is relevant. You cannot just discard it. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

Why do you imagine that pointing to some non-signatory somehow gets Israel out of their contract?

I'm not saying it does.

Israel is not permitted to commit genocide against anyone,

There is no genocide.

lest the other signatories punics Israel.

There is no genocide.

Israel is not allowed to commit war crimes, lest the other signatories punish them.

There is no war crimes (except by HAMAS).

Non-signatories are totally irrelevant.

They ARE relevant. HAMAS is killing it's own civilians.

What did AIPAC tell you to claim was the relevancy?

Mantra 40a.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not a moral relativist.

I believe morality is a fairly fixed thing.

its a set of attitudes and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.

Redefinition fallacy.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Is the thought that the existence of consistent morality across cultures indicates that there is a God? Not sure I'm following here.

what's going on here is religous tribalist warmongers insisting that there is no consistent morality so their religious wars always seem needed.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Redefinition fallacy.

what did I redefine, bullshitter?

 

[IBDaMann]

It's based on the idea that every human individual has innate value which cannot be taken away from them.

Every meal has an innate value to me which cannot be removed.

That is very much a religious concept

Nope. It is a question of value, an economics concept, and is the driver in the price discovery of the supply-demand curve.

[Since] the universe really was just an accident, and we are nothing more than collection of quarks and electrons ...

This is one hekkuva premise from which to draw any conclusions.

accidentally evolved to a higher order,

Given the laws of physics, any evolution that transpired was as inevitable as an object falling due to gravity, which is to say that the word "accidentally" is not appropriate.

then we are deluding ourselves into believing humans have an inherent and innate value.

Incorrect. Despite being a collection of molecules, I am nonetheless imbued with emergent life that makes me greater than the sum of my component parts, and I nonetheless value every meal beyond the mere sum of its component molecules.

 

[Into the Night]

Just by claiming you should be super nice to everyone means you are invoking a higher, unspoken universal standard.

There is no 'unspoken universal standard'.

There's nothing in the scientific principles of Darwinian evolution that require that.

The Theory of Evolution was not created by Darwin. The Theory of Evolution is not a theory of science.

Plenty of people and plenty of societies thrived, and never saw any problem, with slavery, head hunting, female infanticide, genital mutilation.

Very true.

Other than just giving your opinion, you haven't explained why those things are inherently wrong.

They are 'inherently wrong' because such societies follow a different set moral standards than he has. That's really all he has to go by. To him (as it seems to anyone else with a different set of moral standards), his own set of moral standards are 'absolute'.

He is wrong, of course. There is no such thing as an absolute morality.

 

[IBDaMann]

Hardly anybody on this board practices the golden rule here.

At least I do. Is there a prize involved?

I'm constantly being cussed at and insulted, as are others.

You refuse to educate yourself on the matters you discuss. You refuse to learn from others who know so much more than you do, validating the commentary you receive from others who observe such.

If the Golden rule is so rational and so natural to humans, why do we ignore it most of the time?

When you write the Marxist "we", you really just mean yourself, projected as though you are somehow a plural or a DEI hire.

Everyone here has to constantly make the decision to do either what feels good, or do what they know they ought to do.

For me, doing what I ought to do feels good.

It's that 'ought to do' voice in our conscience that is curiously unique to human beings,

How do you know that dolphins don't share that same "ought to do" feeling?

 

[Into the Night]

what did I redefine, bullshitter?

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

 

[IBDaMann]

the fgm is totally sick. of course its partriarchy GONE TOO FAR. everything can go too far. of course, women voting is gynocracy gone too far. <--- just kidding.

I have no problem with women voting, as long as they are voting for me.

 

[Into the Night]

but you could be wrong?

No. He is applying his moral standards, just as you are, and just as the group he describes does.
Stating your moral standards is not a right or wrong statement. It simply is.

 

[Into the Night]

Here's why moral relativists like Into the Night and Freddy Figbottom perceive, but won't openly say, that there is some kind of universal standard for how to treat other people.

There is no such thing as an absolute morality.

It's based on the idea that every human individual has innate value which cannot be taken away from them.

That is very much a religious concept that we have cultivated for thousands of years, even when we don't realize/remember the source and legacy of this value system.

Religion is not necessary for a moral standard, even though it often is a source of a moral standard.

If the universe really was just an accident, and we are nothing more than collection of quarks and electrons accidentally evolved to a higher order, then we are deluding ourselves into believing humans have an inherent and innate value.

The universe exists. That is not an accident. It is simply existing.
So you do not value yourself? Why do you eat? Why do you try to stay alive? Why do you think it's appropriate to try to keep others alive?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

No. He is applying his moral standards, just as you are, and just as the group he describes does.
Stating your moral standards is not a right or wrong statement. It simply is.

some standards are not moral, or are customs not related to morality.

"my moral standard is that I can lie to everyone all the time" -- this is an immoral standard, not a moral standard.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

nice dodge, ignorant fuckhole.