If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Margot]

Why do atheists scare believer so much?

Is it really because we don't find your evidence compelling and you can't imagine why?

They don't

Why do atheists scare believer so much?

Is it really because we don't find your evidence compelling and you can't imagine why?

 

[Margot]

What 'evidence game'? What is an 'evidence game'?

Atheists troll Christian groups ,asking for evidence, no matter what you give them ,They claim it's not evidence! Atheists are obsessed with Jesus!

 

[ZenMode]

I don't define words, Void. Your continued attempt to redefine words and use meaningless buzzwords (because you don't know the meaning of many words) is YOUR problem.

Go learn what superstitious means, Void.

What 'magical sky wizard'? I'm a Christian. I don't believe in magical sky wizards.

I don't believe in magical sky wizards, Void.

I know what it's just means. Try to catch up.

Yes, if you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, etc you believe in a magical sky wizard. You just happen to call it a god.

 

[ZenMode]

You can't make evidence just disappear, Void. You are not reasoning. You are preaching.

Go learn what 'superstition' means. You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void.

Again.... The only evidence comes from circular reasoning. You believe in your God, so you believe in the religious doctrine and you also, therefore, believe that everything that exists, exists because of that God... Only because of your faith and your religious doctrine.

Outside of your faith, and what you believe because of your circular reasoning, there is no sufficient evidence for the existence of any God.

 

[ZenMode]

Atheists troll Christian groups ,asking for evidence, no matter what you give them ,They claim it's not evidence! Atheists are obsessed with Jesus!

What evidence is there that is objective and not based on your already existing faith that a God exists?

If you take away the fact that you already believe in a God, what objective reason is there to believe that any God created the universe, you, me and everything else in it?

Have you seen your God? Has your God spoken to you, emailed you or written to you? Is there anything that has happened, while you are awake, that is evidence of miracles, angels or God?

 

[Into the Night]

That is still wrong. Not believing in the existence of gods is based on that fact that there's no evidence for the existence of gods.

Hence, an Argument of Faith. The Church of No God is based on faith just like any other religion. However, you cannot make any evidence just disappear. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

There's no more evidence for the existence of the Christian God than there is the existence of Zeus.

There is evidence for both. You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void.

The only evidence is that fact that those who already believe in the Christian God attribute random worldly events to it.

What is random about 'worldly events'?

Maybe Zeus created life.

I guess you never read Greek culture. Prometheus created Man (and life). The Gods themselves simply appeared out of Chaos.

Maybe Athena created life. Maybe Ra, Anibus, Hathor, or the Hindu god Hanuman created life. Like I said, most every religion has a creation story and there is no reason to believe your god's story over any of the others.

The Theory of Creation is also a religion. The Theory of Creation does not necessarily require a god or gods. It only states that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence.

For all we know, life on Earth is the result of some alien race having a horrible lab accident, and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

The veracity of Christianity comes from the fact that people are superstitious and brainwashed from a very early age. ...deleted remaining chants...

Go learn what 'superstition' means. Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'brainwashing' means. Buzzword fallacy.

That they knew to be false? No. Every religious person, to some degree, believes in their religion.

And you are no exception.

No it doesn't. There is no reason to believe that the events in the mind of humans has anything to do with any deity and, even if it did, there's no reason to believe your deity is the one behind it.

There certainly is, as evidenced by the presence of many religions, and as evidenced by the presence of Christianity.

Even if there is a god floating around out there, based on a simply probability calculation,

Math error. Failure to specify boundary. Failure to specify randX. Attempt to specify boundary on an open functional system.

every single religious person should assume they've guess the wrong one.

Strange loop fallacy.

Maybe Sobek, the Egyptian god of the Nile, water and fertility created earth.

I guess you haven't read up on Egyptian culture either.
Shu and Tefnu created the Earth. Osiris brought life to Earth.

No. Man is just one of many primate species.

So you also believe in the religion of the Theory of Evolution; another fundamentalist style religion.
I suppose you also believe in the religion of the Theory of Abiogenesis?

Homosexuality is a significant concern of the Christian God.

True, since it not only is a selfish behavior, it can cause permanent damage to practitioners, and the behavior is incapable of creating children.

 

[Into the Night]

You can't use the Bible to prove itself to be true.

He's not. The Bible, however, exists. It is but one bit of evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ and the teachings of God.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. You asked for some evidence of Christianity and I provided it.

He doesn't know what 'evidence' means.

He seems to think 'evidence' means 'proof'. He doesn't know English yet.

 

[Into the Night]

Again.... The only evidence comes from circular reasoning. You believe in your God, so you believe in the religious doctrine and you also, therefore, believe that everything that exists, exists because of that God... Only because of your faith and your religious doctrine.

Outside of your faith, and what you believe because of your circular reasoning, there is no sufficient evidence for the existence of any God.

There certainly is. You cannot make any evidence just disappear, Void.

 

[ZenMode]

Hence, an Argument of Faith. The Church of No God is based on faith just like any other religion. However, you cannot make any evidence just disappear. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

There is evidence for both. You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void.

What is random about 'worldly events'?

I guess you never read Greek culture. Prometheus created Man (and life). The Gods themselves simply appeared out of Chaos.

The Theory of Creation is also a religion. The Theory of Creation does not necessarily require a god or gods. It only states that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence.

For all we know, life on Earth is the result of some alien race having a horrible lab accident, and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

Go learn what 'superstition' means. Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'brainwashing' means. Buzzword fallacy.

And you are no exception.

There certainly is, as evidenced by the presence of many religions, and as evidenced by the presence of Christianity.

Math error. Failure to specify boundary. Failure to specify randX. Attempt to specify boundary on an open functional system.

Strange loop fallacy.

I guess you haven't read up on Egyptian culture either.
Shu and Tefnu created the Earth. Osiris brought life to Earth.

So you also believe in the religion of the Theory of Evolution; another fundamentalist style religion.
I suppose you also believe in the religion of the Theory of Abiogenesis?


True, since it not only is a selfish behavior, it can cause permanent damage to practitioners, and the behavior is incapable of creating children.

"There is evidence for both. You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void."

Yes and if you, and every other religious person, held your same standard of belief for religion that you do anything else, you wouldn't believe in your God. You believe in your God because you have been brainwashed into believing in your God and have, therefore, lowered your standards for belief to continue what you've been brainwashed to believe.

If your memory was wiped of all your and the world's brainwashing, and all references to your God removed from earth, there is nothing tangible to bring you back to your belief because the true, convincing evidence is non-existent.

 

[Into the Night]

What evidence is there that is objective and not based on your already existing faith that a God exists?

Life on Earth exists. (proof of identity)
The Earth itself. (proof of identity)
The Bible exists. (proof of identity)
The prophets exist. (proof of identity)
My own faith exists. (proof of identity)
Faith itself exists. (proof of identity)
The teachings of Jesus Christ and Satan, both characters in the Bible, that exist. (proof of identity)
The Harmony of the Spheres, as described by Kepler.
Theories of science that seem to withstand any attempt to falsify them.
The creation of logic, mathematics, and science by inspired men.
The creation of the United States of America by inspired men.
The restoration of Israel, as predicted in the Bible.
The solar system exists (proof of identity).
The beauty of Earth, and it's bounty of resources.
The Theory of Creation exists (proof of identity).
The presence of death. (proof of identity)
The presence of hardship and the willingness to overcome it. (proof of identity)
The ability to learn from our own mistakes and to overcome those mistakes. (proof if identity)
The presence of numerous inventions that improve quality of life, lengthen lifespans, or improve efficiency, created by inspired men.
The presence of the internet and other communications media, making discussions like this possible.

If you take away the fact that you already believe in a God, what objective reason is there to believe that any God created the universe, you, me and everything else in it?

You already asked that question. RQAA.

Have you seen your God?

I have seen his influence in all that is on the Earth. I have seen some of his teachings and choose to try to follow them, even though I am imperfect.

Has your God spoken to you, emailed you or written to you?

RQAA. Read above.

Is there anything that has happened, while you are awake, that is evidence of miracles, angels or God?

Yes, but I choose not to discuss them here, and I do not list them as evidence that you requested (though they are also evidence).

 

[ZenMode]

Hence, an Argument of Faith. The Church of No God is based on faith just like any other religion. However, you cannot make any evidence just disappear. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

There is evidence for both. You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void.

What is random about 'worldly events'?

I guess you never read Greek culture. Prometheus created Man (and life). The Gods themselves simply appeared out of Chaos.

The Theory of Creation is also a religion. The Theory of Creation does not necessarily require a god or gods. It only states that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence.

For all we know, life on Earth is the result of some alien race having a horrible lab accident, and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

Go learn what 'superstition' means. Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'brainwashing' means. Buzzword fallacy.

And you are no exception.

There certainly is, as evidenced by the presence of many religions, and as evidenced by the presence of Christianity.

Math error. Failure to specify boundary. Failure to specify randX. Attempt to specify boundary on an open functional system.

Strange loop fallacy.

I guess you haven't read up on Egyptian culture either.
Shu and Tefnu created the Earth. Osiris brought life to Earth.

So you also believe in the religion of the Theory of Evolution; another fundamentalist style religion.
I suppose you also believe in the religion of the Theory of Abiogenesis?


True, since it not only is a selfish behavior, it can cause permanent damage to practitioners, and the behavior is incapable of creating children.

"Hence, an Argument of Faith. The Church of No God is based on faith just like any other religion"

Nope. Not believing in God is the result of having a consistent standard for evidence in order to believe something. When you want to believe something, you are naturally going to lower your requirements for evidence in order to believe it. Hence the effectiveness of brainwashing children into religion.

 

[Into the Night]

Why would I get involved with Atheists obsessed with Jesus!

Atheists aren't obsessed with anything.

 

[ZenMode]

Life on Earth exists. (proof of identity)
The Earth itself. (proof of identity)
The Bible exists. (proof of identity)
The prophets exist. (proof of identity)
My own faith exists. (proof of identity)
Faith itself exists. (proof of identity)
The teachings of Jesus Christ and Satan, both characters in the Bible, that exist. (proof of identity)
The Harmony of the Spheres, as described by Kepler.
Theories of science that seem to withstand any attempt to falsify them.
The creation of logic, mathematics, and science by inspired men.
The creation of the United States of America by inspired men.
The restoration of Israel, as predicted in the Bible.
The solar system exists (proof of identity).
The beauty of Earth, and it's bounty of resources.
The Theory of Creation exists (proof of identity).
The presence of death. (proof of identity)
The presence of hardship and the willingness to overcome it. (proof of identity)
The ability to learn from our own mistakes and to overcome those mistakes. (proof if identity)
The presence of numerous inventions that improve quality of life, lengthen lifespans, or improve efficiency, created by inspired men.
The presence of the internet and other communications media, making discussions like this possible.



You already asked that question. RQAA.

I have seen his influence in all that is on the Earth. I have seen some of his teachings and choose to try to follow them, even though I am imperfect.

RQAA. Read above.

Yes, but I choose not to discuss them here, and I do not list them as evidence that you requested (though they are also evidence).

"
Life on Earth exists. (proof of identity)
The Earth itself. (proof of identity)
The Bible exists. (proof of identity)
The prophets exist. (proof of identity)
My own faith exists. (proof of identity)
Faith itself exists. (proof of identity)
The teachings of Jesus Christ and Satan, both characters in the Bible, that exist. (proof of identity)
The Harmony of the Spheres, as described by Kepler.
Theories of science that seem to withstand any attempt to falsify them.
The creation of logic, mathematics, and science by inspired men.
The creation of the United States of America by inspired men.
The restoration of Israel, as predicted in the Bible.
The solar system exists (proof of identity).
The beauty of Earth, and it's bounty of resources.
The Theory of Creation exists (proof of identity).
The presence of death. (proof of identity)
The presence of hardship and the willingness to overcome it. (proof of identity)
The ability to learn from our own mistakes and to overcome those mistakes. (proof if identity)
The presence of numerous inventions that improve quality of life, lengthen lifespans, or improve efficiency, created by inspired men.
The presence of the internet and other communications media, making discussions like this possible."

Right, like I said earlier, religious people will point to The existence of anything and everything as evidence of their God.

"Stuff exists. My God made all of them!"

Thanks for confirming.

 

[Into the Night]

"There is evidence for both. You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void."

Yes and if you, and every other religious person, held your same standard of belief for religion that you do anything else, you wouldn't believe in your God. You believe in your God because you have been brainwashed into believing in your God and have, therefore, lowered your standards for belief to continue what you've been brainwashed to believe.

Go learn what 'brainwashing' means, Void. Go learn English. Attempted proof by Partial.

If your memory was wiped of all your and the world's brainwashing, and all references to your God removed from earth, there is nothing tangible to bring you back to your belief because the true, convincing evidence is non-existent.

You can't wipe anything from Earth, Void. You are AGAIN assuming there is no God to restore His will and word.
Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

 

[Into the Night]

"Hence, an Argument of Faith. The Church of No God is based on faith just like any other religion"

Nope. Not believing in God is the result of having a consistent standard for evidence in order to believe something.

Evidence is not a 'standard', Void. Courtier's fallacy.
You are a fundamentalist. You believe in the Church of No God and you are trying to prove it True (which is not possible).

When you want to believe something, you are naturally going to lower your requirements for evidence in order to believe it. Hence the effectiveness of brainwashing children into religion.

Evidence has no 'requirements'. Courteir's fallacy. Go learn what 'evidence' means. Go learn what 'brainwashing' means.

You cannot make any evidence just disappear, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

"
Life on Earth exists. (proof of identity)
The Earth itself. (proof of identity)
The Bible exists. (proof of identity)
The prophets exist. (proof of identity)
My own faith exists. (proof of identity)
Faith itself exists. (proof of identity)
The teachings of Jesus Christ and Satan, both characters in the Bible, that exist. (proof of identity)
The Harmony of the Spheres, as described by Kepler.
Theories of science that seem to withstand any attempt to falsify them.
The creation of logic, mathematics, and science by inspired men.
The creation of the United States of America by inspired men.
The restoration of Israel, as predicted in the Bible.
The solar system exists (proof of identity).
The beauty of Earth, and it's bounty of resources.
The Theory of Creation exists (proof of identity).
The presence of death. (proof of identity)
The presence of hardship and the willingness to overcome it. (proof of identity)
The ability to learn from our own mistakes and to overcome those mistakes. (proof if identity)
The presence of numerous inventions that improve quality of life, lengthen lifespans, or improve efficiency, created by inspired men.
The presence of the internet and other communications media, making discussions like this possible."

Right, like I said earlier, religious people will point to The existence of anything and everything as evidence of their God.

And I do. Evidence it remains. You cannot make one iota of it disappear.

"Stuff exists. My God made all of them!"

Thanks for confirming.

Why wouldn't I? It is, however, my belief to do so. Just as it is YOUR belief to confirm your evidence for your religion.

 

[Matt Dillon]

A short little Youtube from a former evangelical pastor. Did the fire and brimstone shit for decades until he finally came to his senses. For those of you who are in denial or wish to remain willfully ignorant, he basically says this:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/gI_OCjTkQG4?si=cyukCFBlj2u2kI4k

I don't need a book, but it does explain how God works.
His influence in my life has been real and tangible, there's no undoing that. No.
STFU with your God-denying retard BS, if you're smart.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IStlBOX9F4o

 

[Into the Night]

Atheists troll Christian groups,

Never seen that happen.

asking for evidence,

Never seen that happen either.

no matter what you give them,

Evidence is not something that is 'given'. It simply exists.

They claim it's not evidence!

Never seen an atheist claim any such thing.

Atheists are obsessed with Jesus!

Nope. Atheists are not necessarily obsessed with anything.

 

[ZenMode]

And I do. Evidence it remains. You cannot make one iota of it disappear.

Why wouldn't I? It is, however, my belief to do so. Just as it is YOUR belief to confirm your evidence for your religion.

"Evidence it remains."

Yes, by your standards for evidence and belief, the existence of anything can prove the existence of anything else, which is to say there is no true evidence, only blind faith due to brainwashing and superstition.