Monad Portal
Was it me?
they're just stuck on stupid like you.
If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book
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I got my ass hyper educated...I know a lot.
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Was it me?
IBDaMann
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Particle accelerators are voodoo called science. I prefer to call the religious clergy who tell us what we are to believe "the Holy Roman Empire". They talk down to us with their backs turned, speaking in Latin, saying nothing but gibberish and presuming that we are all too stupid to understand and appreciate their divine genius.
The Holy Roman Empire smashes unseen particles together, causing something to happen that cannot be observed. Absolutely nobody can say what occurs at any such event. But they have Holy Roman "detectors" that record entirely random, unintelligible and meaningless crap that comes with its own thick background noise that happens to be indistinguishable from the main crap.
The Holy Roman Empire then interprets the entrails and tells us commoners, in Latin:
1. Rejoice! Great news from YHWH! More divine truth has been revealed!
2.:A reminder that only they are sufficiently intelligent to understand these things
3. A reminder that this message comes directly from the divine random noise of God
4. Instructions to sally forth and proclaim the great news and to praise the clergy of God.
Monad Portal is enthralled by the absolute certainty of the ordained clergy, that when they point to specific squiggles and dots, that it can't be just mere coincidence. These genius clergymen must be genuinely revealing the divinely inspired word of God. We shouldn't question the wondrous and mysterious contradictions that only serve to prove the divine nature of the "findings" and that confirm the clergy's vastly superior intellect.
Those findings.
As an atheist, I'm not buying any of it.
IBDaMann
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That's some Pulitzer prize-winning gold you got there.
IBDaMann
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How do I get your complete collected works?
Monad Portal
Was it me?
Monad Portal
Was it me?
we know.
ZenMode
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It wasn't known then.
As long as you ignore the fact that either one of us could improve it with no effort. Let's take the 10 Commandments. Maybe God could not have 30% of them about himself and have one that said "Don't rape people" or "Don't sexually assault or abuse children" or "Don't enslave people".
The Bible sounds nothing like the direction, instruction and insight of a wise, all-knowing being and everything like the ramblings of uneducated, Iron Age men.
He's described as wrathful in his own book.
He's not psychotic? Have you heard of, among other things, the Passover?
Yes, based on evidence.
"Believe"? That sounds like faith.
First of all those aren't gaps. They are enormous chasms.
There is no realistic prospect those questions can even be answered by science. They are philosophical and existential questions.
Second, I do don't buy your assumption that that science disproves God and supposedly sequester him to tiny, shrinking gaps. Plenty of people think science points to God. Galileo, Newton, Kepler, Maxwell, Francis Collins were certain that lawful design pointed to a law-giver.
Lastly, my entire presentation was based on good abductive logical reasoning; inference to the best explanation. A mathematically rational, lawfully organized, finely tuned universe points to some kind of rational cause or force.
From all the experience we have, it is implausible that matter, order, organization, and rational design popped into existence from the irrational, from purely inanimate physical causes, and from random chance.
And you have never explained why it would be rational to accept that as the best explanation.
Obscure, anonymous message board poster IBDumbass: "Neutrinos and quarks are fabrications invented by guys who want grant money!"
Me plus the best particle physicists in the world: "Quarks and neutrinos almost certainly exist and their properties have been measured in the world's most prestigious high energy physics laboratories."
Let me take you through some seventh grade math, because this only requires the most child-like understanding of rudimentary algebra.
Energy and mass are related by Einstein's formula, therefore energy can always be converted to mass equivalent.
Because we know E = mc^2, it therefore follows that m = E/c^2.
Then, it follows that the masses of quarks can be reported as electron volt mass equivalents by just dividing GeV by c-squared.
gfm7175
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You are only one person, ZenMode, and you don't know much of anything it seems.
It most certainly CAN be (and I believe that it IS).
It sounds like you have stumbled across a couple of proofs that disprove Christianity. Great! Let's hear them!
"Better" is a subjective term, so your point is summarily dismissed. It doesn't disprove anything; it's just your opinion.
That's not how God is described in The Bible; clearly you've never read it. The God of The Bible is perfectly loving AND perfectly just.
ALL the parts are relevant.
That's ALL the parts.
Should 'Climate Crisis' be believed instead?
ZenMode
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Belief is just a way of saying I don't know something with 100% certainty, but there's enough evidence that I'm willing to say it's what I "believe". I don't believe, based on available evidence/information, that Trump was the rightful winner of the 2020 election.
Faith, means you believe something despite the evidence or lack of evidence.
God of the Chasms doesn't sound as cool, but means the same thing.
That doesn't mean you have to plug in extraterrestrial beings as answer.
The existed in a much different time. A time when filling in gaps with gods was very common. They were much more informed than the ancient Hebrews, but not remotely close to as knowledgeable as their equivalents are today.
You entire presentation was circumstantial evidence for gods. You don't believe the "organized" universe could happen naturally, so God must have done it, etc, etc, etc.
ZenMode
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Just means killing all the first born children in an entire country, aka Passover?
Per the Bible, if Jesus didn't come back to life after three days, Christianity doesn't exist. It's those claims and the other "magical" claims that make Jesus/God more than just some Jewish preacher.
Stop trying to change the subject.
^^ Not a convincing point, and not a powerful argument.
Most of life is based on incomplete information and circumstantial evidence. You would be paralyzed and unable to make any decisions if you decided to wait for comprehensive and complete information.
I used abductive logic to make an inference to the best explanation. You have not rationally debunked any of my points other than to blurt out 'god of the gaps'.
You have studiously avoided explaining why it would be more rational to believe that complex matter, mathematical rationality, lawful organization, and fine tuning would be caused by the irrational, by purely inanimate physical reasons, and by random chance.
IBDaMann
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Proof #1: Nanny-nanny-boo-boo.
Proof #2: If the Bible were true, I'd avoid reading it. Wait, hold on a moment ...
... but his declarations of what is true only require his opinion.
... so, according to Proof #2, ZenMode thinks the Bible is true.
Question: would it be OK if the God of the Bible were imperfectly loving? How about just "loving"?
I'm going to call boooooolsch't. There are some psalms that could be removed and nobody would bitch.
The unambiguously defined one or the other one?
IBDaMann
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Dial it back ... you are trying to pivot away from your error. Regardless of Special Relativity, mass is measured in grams, not volts. You can convert volts to grams, but you have to convert volts to grams. Mass is not measured in volts.
Now apologize for wasting everyone's time.
You haven't yet presented any legitimate physicists who agree with you that quarks and neutrinos don't really exist and were fabrications to get more grant money.
The conspiracy of silence can't be global, there have to be retired physicists who would blow the lid off this conspiracy.
ZenMode
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You're starting the the assumption that these things couldn't happen naturally, even though there's no reason they couldn't, and plugging in 'god' to explain it. That's it..