If Obama accepted a jumbo jet from a Muslim country???

[serenity]

wrong.

You believe doesn't count. the plane that took Michelle Obama on vacations around the world was called Bright Star. Google gave to to me and AI doesn't lie..

 

[Jarod]

You believe doesn't count. the plane that took Michelle Obama on vacations around the world was called Bright Star. Google gave to to me and AI doesn't lie..

Did she keep it for their library.

 

[Walt]

Is the gift to Trump or the United States?

It is attached to trump. So first it will be a "loan" to the US, but then when trump leaves office, it will be a "loan" to his presidential library. It will be for his free use for the rest of his life, and then after he dies, it will be for the free use of his heir.

When Trump leaves office it will either be flown by the next president or go to Trumps Presidential library. Which happens to many retired Air Force One planes.

It is required to become a loan to the trump presidential library, where it will continue to fly trump for free. It is not getting retired for as long as trump wants to fly it.

Trump can't take the plane with him when he leaves office you brainless leftist dogma parroting dumbass.

The promise is that trump can take the plane when he leaves office. It will become a loan to his library corporation, with all the bills paid for by the Emir of Qatar. trump will have absolute, and personal control over how it is used. he will literally take it with him after he leaves office.

The plane is given to the GOVERNMENT, not Trump you brainless hack.

It is "loaned" to the government, while trump is in the government. When he leaves the government, it will be loaned to his library corporation for his personal use. While he will not legally own it, he will legally be the sole beneficiary of it. Under money laundering laws, he would be considered the beneficiary owner of it.

It is being “ gifted” to the US Air Force not Trump

It is being loaned first to the US Government, and then when trump leaves office to the trump library corporation for trump's continued free use.

So he won't be flying it personally?

trump will be flying in this plane for the rest of his life, and when he dies he will pass on the free use of the plane to his heir(s). I doubt he could get a pilot's license to personally fly the plane, but the Emir of Qatar will pay for the hiring of actual pilots to fly the plane.

According to the General Services Administration (GSA), gifts from foreign governments exceeding a set “minimal value” must be treated as property of the United States. Recipients can only retain them by purchasing them at fair market value. Otherwise, the gift becomes part of the National Archives or GSA-managed property.

trump thinks he has found a loophole around the laws and the Constitution. he claims the plane will be a loan to his library for him to use, not a gift. I think it is a difference without a distinction, and is still illegal.

Prove it was a bribe. What did Qatar get in return?

A judge could always claim that he would have found the defendant not guilty, even without the bribe, but it really does not matter. Getting the bribe is usually all the evidence that is needed. The thing done for the bribe does not usually need to be proven. That is because bribes are usually given in subjective situations where it would be impossible to prove that the bribe was the tipping factor.

It may go on display at his library, but that's about it.

It is promised to be loaned to the trump library for his personal use, not display. trump will be flying up to NJ to play golf in it.

 

[Walt]

It's possible it might become a display in his Presidential Library. There's one in Reagan's Library. Though I doubt it, the plane will be used for longer than one Presidency usually.

It is not making sense to you. You know something is not matching up, but you cannot figure out what it is. Why would they retire a plane after one president? It should be usable for 30 to 40 years...

Let's change one assumption, and it will all fall into place for you. If we assume trump is unbelievably corruptly accepting a bribe, it all makes sense. Then the plane "loaned" to his library is going to be used for his personal use. trump gets to use the plane for the rest of his life, and his heir will get to use it after he dies. It will not technically belong to him, but will belong to him personally in all the ways that are beneficial.

So the day after he leaves office, he wants to go to Scotland to play a round of golf, he calls up his library, says, "get my plane ready for me." They use the money they received from the Emir of Qatar, and fly him in the plane to Scotland. If he dies in Scotland, junior calls up the the library and says, "as the new CEO, get my plane ready." They then get his plane ready to fly him to Africa to shoot some lion chained to the ground in a caged hunt.

This is a bribe, which trump thinks he has figured out a loophole to make legal.

 

[Into the Night]

It is attached to trump.

It is not. It was given to the United States.

So first it will be a "loan" to the US,

Nope. It's owned by the United States, Wally.

but then when trump leaves office, it will be a "loan" to his presidential library.

Possibly. So what?

It will be for his free use for the rest of his life, and then after he dies, it will be for the free use of his heir.

Nope. If it's in the library, it doesn't fly.

It is required to become a loan to the trump presidential library, where it will continue to fly trump for free. It is not getting retired for as long as trump wants to fly it.

Nope. It doesn't fly.

The promise is that trump can take the plane when he leaves office.

What "promise", Wally??

It will become a loan to his library corporation,

A library is not a corporation.

with all the bills paid for by the Emir of Qatar.

He probably won't pay for the library.

trump will have absolute, and personal control over how it is used. he will literally take it with him after he leaves office.

Nope. It doesn't fly, Wally.

It is "loaned" to the government, while trump is in the government.

Nope. It's OWNED by the government.

When he leaves the government, it will be loaned to his library corporation for his personal use.

Repetition fallacy (chanting).

While he will not legally own it, he will legally be the sole beneficiary of it. Under money laundering laws, he would be considered the beneficiary owner of it.

Paradox. Irrational. You can't argue both sides of a paradox, Wally.

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A judge could always claim that he would have found the defendant not guilty, even without the bribe, but it really does not matter. Getting the bribe is usually all the evidence that is needed. The thing done for the bribe does not usually need to be proven. That is because bribes are usually given in subjective situations where it would be impossible to prove that the bribe was the tipping factor.

What "bribe", Wally???

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Stop spamming, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

It is not making sense to you.

It certainly is. Damocles just stated it.

You know something is not matching up, but you cannot figure out what it is. Why would they retire a plane after one president? It should be usable for 30 to 40 years...

Let's change one assumption, and it will all fall into place for you. If we assume trump is unbelievably corruptly accepting a bribe, it all makes sense. Then the plane "loaned" to his library is going to be used for his personal use. trump gets to use the plane for the rest of his life, and his heir will get to use it after he dies. It will not technically belong to him, but will belong to him personally in all the ways that are beneficial.

So the day after he leaves office, he wants to go to Scotland to play a round of golf, he calls up his library, says, "get my plane ready for me." They use the money they received from the Emir of Qatar, and fly him in the plane to Scotland. If he dies in Scotland, junior calls up the the library and says, "as the new CEO, get my plane ready." They then get his plane ready to fly him to Africa to shoot some lion chained to the ground in a caged hunt.

This is a bribe, which trump thinks he has figured out a loophole to make legal.

More mindless repetition and chanting. Repetition fallacies.