if ron paul loses the primary should he run as an independent?

blackascoal said:
Damo and Blackflag, you are both of course correct.

Paul running as an independant would make the political season fun and the debates interesting .. if he could get into them. Both major parties would try to keep him out. Both Nader and Buchanan had trouble getting into the debates, and this is an issue where I'd have to hold my nose and support Paul's right to be included.

Given that he poses no real threat, I guess I could live with that.
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A candidate has to poll at least 15% to be able to debate with the candidates. I can't imagine that happening with Paul.

If he were able to win 5% of the vote, he could get federal funding. If he did this on the Libertarian ticket it would give the funding to the next libertarian candidate. But again, I can't imagine that happening for Paul. The Libertarians would reject the funding anyway.
 
Ok, so that was the goal of the volunteers, not the campaign. That was an unrealistic goal (maybe intentionally) as that would have put him well over Hillary's biggest day, with her collections from lobbyists and corps.
 
TheDanold said:
It sounds like your making fun of them because they are white men mostly supporting Paul.
Do you find it funny that most supporters of say Al Sharpton might end up being black males?
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I don't find it funny that the vast majority of his support comes from white males, I find it telling. There is an intellectual difference .. which may be why you're having problems with it.

If 82% of Sharpton's or Jackson's support came from black males, which it doesn't, then that wouldn't be funny either, it would be telling.

Both do get the vast majority of their support from black people .. which is also telling as it demonstrates who much of their agenda speaks to and for.

Honestly, you love to prance around pretending America is racist, but so far as I can tell with your blank panther avatar to your digs at whites that you are the one with the racist chip on your shoulder.
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Is this supposed to have meaning?

It doesn't take pretense to articulate the racism in America .. just the knowledge of mathematics.

Been here for almost 400 years

Only relatively free for 42 years.

Do the math

Get back to me.

And my blank/black panther avatar has nothing to do with the Black Panthers. That never even crossed my mind when I chose it.

It's simply black as coal.

And if you don't like discussions about race, put your hands over your ears when you read it and shout "LaLaLaLa"

That works
 
RStringfield said:
Ok, so that was the goal of the volunteers, not the campaign. That was an unrealistic goal (maybe intentionally) as that would have put him well over Hillary's biggest day, with her collections from lobbyists and corps.
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I agree, but as I said, doesn't diminsh the accomplishment.
 
The 82% is the number of males, not white males. I am sure a large majority of those are white, but surely not all.

However, they do ALL live in their mother's basement.
 
Watermark said:
A candidate has to poll at least 15% to be able to debate with the candidates. I can't imagine that happening with Paul.

If he were able to win 5% of the vote, he could get federal funding. If he did this on the Libertarian ticket it would give the funding to the next libertarian candidate. But again, I can't imagine that happening for Paul. The Libertarians would reject the funding anyway.
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Good analysis
 
WM said everything relevant already.

I don't think Paul will run third party because he has said he won't.

I don't think that the Libertarians would be as hostile to Paul as Black is claiming or as reverent toward him as RString suggests. Plenty of anarcho-capitalists still hold sway in the LP and Paul's incrementalist, comparably moderate approach doesn't sit well with everyone. Paul is more moderate than myself, Grind, and Rstring for example. But at the end of the day I believe pragmatism would sway a majority in Paul's favor should he attempt to pursue the LP nomination, which I doubt.

WM makes an excellent point in that even if he ran L and got more than 5% receiving federal funding, the LP would likely reject the money on principle anyway.
 
RStringfield said:
The 82% is the number of males, not white males. I am sure a large majority of those are white, but surely not all.

However, they do ALL live in their mother's basement.
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I've been careful not to say they're all white, but it's safe to say the vast vast majority of them are .. and don't get it twisted, I'm not suggesting that there is anything wrong with them being white, but that it speaks to who he attracts and who is agenda is geared to. The same can be said of any demographic of people.

I've also never said they all live in moms basement, but they are not as widespread as they pretend.
 
blackascoal said:
I've also never said they all live in moms basement, but they are not as widespread as they pretend.
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We are everywhere. We are in your house, right now.

But seriously my campus (while not representative of the nation), has a remarkably high level of support for Ron Paul. The Students for Ron Paul chapter here wanted a poll of student support for Republican contenders in 2008, which I paid for, and its results may be the only poll in history (outside of his congressional district anyway) which put Ron Paul over 15%. It's remarkable that 15% of people ANYWHERE except DC and district even know his name. This is entirely new development in the last year thanks to our enthusiastic spamming of interstate overpasses and major roadways.
 
Warren said:
We are everywhere. We are in your house, right now.

But seriously my campus (while not representative of the nation), has a remarkably high level of support for Ron Paul. The Students for Ron Paul chapter here wanted a poll of student support for Republican contenders in 2008, which I paid for, and its results may be the only poll in history (outside of his congressional district anyway) which put Ron Paul over 15%. It's remarkable that 15% of people ANYWHERE except DC and district even know his name. This is entirely new development in the last year thanks to our enthusiastic spamming of interstate overpasses and major roadways.
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There are a LOT of Libertarians in college. And on the internet. I don't know what about being a techie makes people so libertarian, but the proportion of libertarians in real life is like 1 or 2 per 100, and it's like 30 per 100 on the internet.
 
Warren said:
We are everywhere. We are in your house, right now.

But seriously my campus (while not representative of the nation), has a remarkably high level of support for Ron Paul. The Students for Ron Paul chapter here wanted a poll of student support for Republican contenders in 2008, which I paid for, and its results may be the only poll in history (outside of his congressional district anyway) which put Ron Paul over 15%. It's remarkable that 15% of people ANYWHERE except DC and district even know his name. This is entirely new development in the last year thanks to our enthusiastic spamming of interstate overpasses and major roadways.
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Like I said before... it's his internet popularity that gets him just about everything he has. Without the internet the Libertarians would be nothing.
 
blackascoal said:
You should have titled this, "WHEN Ron Paul loses the primary should he run as an independant."

My question would then be, on what ticket?

There are a lot of libertarians that would not welcome Paul at the front of their ticket.
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LOL you're such a blowhard
 
Warren said:
We are everywhere. We are in your house, right now.

But seriously my campus (while not representative of the nation), has a remarkably high level of support for Ron Paul. The Students for Ron Paul chapter here wanted a poll of student support for Republican contenders in 2008, which I paid for, and its results may be the only poll in history (outside of his congressional district anyway) which put Ron Paul over 15%. It's remarkable that 15% of people ANYWHERE except DC and district even know his name. This is entirely new development in the last year thanks to our enthusiastic spamming of interstate overpasses and major roadways.
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It's not as tough I don't recognize Paul's appeal to many voters, especially many on college campuses. However, enthusiasm sometimes gets in the way of reality and often times gets in the way of vision.
 
Most of the concerns are valid and ones I have raised. The final paragraph is spot on and you seem to overlook it.
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Libertarians leery of Paul should ask themselves (while bearing in mind that of course no one, certainly no libertarian, is under any obligation to support or advocate or vote for any politician ever): Have we ever seen a national political figure better in libertarian terms—better on taxes, on drugs, on spending, on federalism, on foreign policy, on civil liberties? And for the pragmatic, cosmopolitan, mainstream libertarian: Why is Ron Paul the place where making the non-existent best the enemy of the good becomes the right thing to do?
 
Well, congratulations at any rate to the Ronbots for raising so much money. That takes enthusiasm. Well done.
 
blackascoal said:
I don't find it funny that the vast majority of his support comes from white males, I find it telling. There is an intellectual difference .. which may be why you're having problems with it.

If 82% of Sharpton's or Jackson's support came from black males, which it doesn't, then that wouldn't be funny either, it would be telling.

Both do get the vast majority of their support from black people .. which is also telling as it demonstrates who much of their agenda speaks to and for.



Is this supposed to have meaning?

It doesn't take pretense to articulate the racism in America .. just the knowledge of mathematics.

Been here for almost 400 years

Only relatively free for 42 years.

Do the math

Get back to me.

And my blank/black panther avatar has nothing to do with the Black Panthers. That never even crossed my mind when I chose it.

It's simply black as coal.

And if you don't like discussions about race, put your hands over your ears when you read it and shout "LaLaLaLa"

That works
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Hands down one of the best responses I have ever read on this site. Your math analogy rocks!
 
Warren said:
We are everywhere. We are in your house, right now.

But seriously my campus (while not representative of the nation), has a remarkably high level of support for Ron Paul. The Students for Ron Paul chapter here wanted a poll of student support for Republican contenders in 2008, which I paid for, and its results may be the only poll in history (outside of his congressional district anyway) which put Ron Paul over 15%. It's remarkable that 15% of people ANYWHERE except DC and district even know his name. This is entirely new development in the last year thanks to our enthusiastic spamming of interstate overpasses and major roadways.
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It's gotta be the highway signs that put him over. I know college kids are always reading highway signs. I mean, Look at all the threads!
 
RStringfield said:
Most of the concerns are valid and ones I have raised. The final paragraph is spot on and you seem to overlook it.
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Libertarians leery of Paul should ask themselves (while bearing in mind that of course no one, certainly no libertarian, is under any obligation to support or advocate or vote for any politician ever): Have we ever seen a national political figure better in libertarian terms—better on taxes, on drugs, on spending, on federalism, on foreign policy, on civil liberties? And for the pragmatic, cosmopolitan, mainstream libertarian: Why is Ron Paul the place where making the non-existent best the enemy of the good becomes the right thing to do?
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I don't disagree with that. In spite of all that's wrong with Paul, there are things that are right about him, especially for the LP.

However, there is also valid argument that embracing him also embraces those things that are wrong about him.

As Nader became the face of the Greens, even though he himself isn't Green, so shall Paul become the face of the LP if they nominate him. The Greens are still trying to shake the spectre of Nader, not that's he;s a bad guy, but you can't build a lasting political party with a celebrity candidate.

How far has the Reform Party progressed since Ross Perot?

Paul has some pretty nutty ideas and a ugly background, but if libertarians need the attention that much .. is what it really comes down to .. Good Luck
 
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