If the government forces you to give birth to a child,

Weasel said:
You lack a brainstem. COVID is a public health issue. Pregnancy is a woman's issue.
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So government usurping autonomy over an individual's body is bad except when it's good?

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a woman's decision to have a legal discretionary abortion affects the health of no other human being on the planet. a chickenshit anti-vaxxer not getting a shot or two has a chance of causing OTHER people to suffer, to die. so fuck them.
 
Legion said:
So government usurping autonomy over an individual's body is bad except when it's good?

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Government shouldn't have any control over anyone's body except when that person poses a threat to other people. Abortion is a complicated and difficult issue to those who bother to actually consider it deeply. I personally feel that a woman has a right to control her own body even when exercising that control means terminating a pregnancy. I also don't like seatbelt laws.
 
Weasel said:
Government shouldn't have any control over anyone's body except when that person poses a threat to other people. I personally feel that a woman has a right to control her own body even when exercising that control means terminating a pregnancy.
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So we agree.

Government has no business forbidding or mandating a particular medical procedure.
 
Diesel said:
You need a point in order to request a counterpoint. What is yours? That a woman can throw herself down a stairwell or shove a coat hanger in her body even if abortion is illegal?
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Try reading my posts. They can eat bitter Mellon, drink some booze, or half dozen perfectly natural methods. Legal abortion vastly enables prostitution. Prostitution is a crime that transforms society for the worse. It'd be one thing if they didn't just run a pederast heroin cartel for 8 solid years and try to cover it up the whole time. It'd be another thing if antifa wasn't a bunch of junky homos and prostitutes.

There's no reason why Americans have to live like this. Abortion was not a core founding american principle. It is not nor was it ever an enumerated right. This never ending social war must come to an end, one way or the other. I'm not having the right to self defense wedged again something that was never a right to begin with, every fking election cycle. Everyone had an opportunity to be better people. No one chose that.

In a land where women had the most freedom of anywhere else, they overwhelmingly chose to be rioting junky prostitutes radicalising criminals to do their dirty work and trying to deny basic rights for everyone else. Yall bought this pushback and now yer all gonna choke on it like it was Hoby Buchanon's dick.

And I won't even lend you a coathanger any longer.
 
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Diesel said:
Government shouldn't have any control over anyone's body except when that person poses a threat to other people. Abortion is a complicated and difficult issue to those who bother to actually consider it deeply. I personally feel that a woman has a right to control her own body even when exercising that control means terminating a pregnancy. I also don't like seatbelt laws.
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seat belt laws, for adults, helmet laws, for adults, smoking, for adults, drinking for adults, smoking pot, for adults, gambling, for adults, porn for adults, prostitution for adults, smoking weed, for adults......all similar to abortion laws- until another person is directly affected, health wise, it is not the government's business.
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
a woman's decision to have a legal discretionary abortion affects the health of no other human being on the planet. a chickenshit anti-vaxxer not getting a shot or two has a chance of causing OTHER people to suffer, to die. so fuck them.
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These motherfuckers have the gall to claim that they care about human life, oppose abortion, oppose social welfare, oppose quality public education, oppose vaccination, and then tell other people that they're hypocritical.
 
Legion said:
So we agree.

Government has no business forbidding or mandating a particular medical procedure.
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Ugh. Try reading for once. "Government shouldn't have any control over anyone's body except when that person poses a threat to other people.
 
Diesel said:
Ugh. Try reading for once. "Government shouldn't have any control over anyone's body except when that person poses a threat to other people.
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And?

If COVID vaccines work, why do the jabbed care what other people decide to do?

If they don't, what's the point?
 
Diesel said:
I see. Well, toilets don't need water to flush either.

Do you understand how stupid you sound when you drop a declarative sentence like that?
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Do you know how stupid you are suggesting women need the help of someone else just so they can control their own body?
 
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christiefan915 said:
What number or percentage is "so many?"
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Last time I checked it was arouñd 50%.

About half of all U.S. women having an abortion have had one previously. This fact—not new, but dramatically underscored in a recent report from the Guttmacher Institute on the characteristics of women having repeat abortions—may surprise and concern some policymakers, even prochoice ones. However, policymakers should be more disturbed by the underlying fact that the unintended pregnancy rate in the United States is so high, and that so many women experience repeat unintended pregnancies. Some of these pregnancies end in abortion and some end in unintended births. Indeed, it is not uncommon for a woman to experience both of these outcomes, as well as one or more planned births, during her lifetime.

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2007...cy-repeated-and-misguided-government-policies
 
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]2epo]v[an said:
Try reading my posts. They can eat bitter Mellon, dring some booze, or half dozen perfectly natural methods. Legal abortion vastly enables prostitution. Prostitution is a crime that transforms society for the worse. It'd be one thing if they didn't just run a pederast heroin cartel for 8 solid years and try to cover it up the whole time. It'd be another ting if antifa wasn't a bunch of junky homos and prostitutes.

There's no reason why Americans have to live like this. Abortion was not a core founding american principle. It is not nor was it ever an enumerated right. This never ending social war must come to an end, one way or the other. I'm not having the right to self defense wedged again something that was never a right to begin with. Everyone had an opportunity to be better people. No one chose that.

In a land where women had the most freedom of anywhere else, they overwhelmingly chose to be rioting junky prostitutes trying to deny basic rights for everyone else. Yall bought this pushback and now yer all gonna choke on it like it was Hoby Buchanon's dick.

And I won't even lend you a coathanger any longer.
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What a disaster of a post. "Bitter Mellon [sic]"? "Dring [sic] some booze"? What are the other half dozen "perfectly natural methods" for causing an abortion?

Do you think there is a prostitution epidemic somewhere?

Your constant references to pedarasty are obscene.

Your constant references to illicit drugs are self revealing.

I have no idea what 8 years you're mumbling about.

Something about Antifa. Tons more typos. And then back to drugs, gays, and hookers.

You are one sick, demented fuck. You shouldn't be allowed to mix with the general public.

Abortion is a woman's right.
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
that has some merit. they could easily give bars the option to have smoking....no one is forcing anyone to go in. diners and other public areas, smoking should be banned.
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Life was better when smoking was allowed everywhere. I remember seeing doctors smoke, and butting out their cig in the ashtray by the elevator.
Smoking/non-smoking in restaurants. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
Hoosier Mommy said:
that has some merit. they could easily give bars the option to have smoking....no one is forcing anyone to go in. diners and other public areas, smoking should be banned.
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Don't forget government dietary laws like the unconstitutional NYC ban on sugary drinks.

Don't neglect to consider the government's prohibition of recreational drug use.

Don't forget the frequency with which legislators suggest that people who eat too much (or eat certain foods) drink alcohol, or smoke should be ineligible for government-subsidized medical care.

A power-hungry bureaucrat or politician can make a case out for expanding their control over people for just about any human activity.
 
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