If Trump wins re-election—or loses— expect more right-wing violence

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

I've said this many times before. The radical Right is much better at killing people individually. They act alone in individual acts, like McVeigh did. The radical Left creates large amounts of low grade violence--property destruction, looting, graffiti, trashing city downtowns, and things like beating people but not normally killing them. Compared, the radical Left easily does ten if not a hundred times or more economic damage than the radical Right.

So, if you are counting who does what, other than a body count, the radical Left is far, far more dangerous than the radical Right. But those most loudly calling the radical Right more dangerous omit everything but the body count in claiming that. They do it on purpose because to do otherwise would squarely put the blame on the radical Left as the bigger threat to society--which it is.

I'd also say that the residents of Seattle, Portland, SF, Milwaukee, Chicago, NYC, etc., would all heartily disagree with you that Right Wing violence is their biggest threat. It isn't White Supremacists out in the streets of say Portland for the last four months burning down the city.

OK, let's unpack that for a moment.

The protestors carrying signs are not the same people who are looting.

Opportunists take advantage of the situation when there are lots of people in the streets and police are well occupied.

It has been shown that in many instances the ones who smash windows are actually right wing provocateurs.

And for the ones who take advantage of an open store and come out with some food, how can it be determined what their politics are?

Laying this all on the left doorstep is an assumption, not a fact.

 

[Trumpet]

Who exactly is rioting, looting, shooting cops, and burning down Democrat run cities at the moment?

Who are the extremist fanatics with guns and plenty of ammunition????????????

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



OK, let's unpack that for a moment.

The protestors carrying signs are not the same people who are looting.

How do you differentiate when they mix together, like they frequently do?

Opportunists take advantage of the situation when there are lots of people in the streets and police are well occupied.

So? How do we know the politics of those "opportunists?"

It has been shown that in many instances the ones who smash windows are actually right wing provocateurs.

I doubt that seriously. You might be able to show one, two, or a few cases, but the vast majority of these occur in the middle of a Leftist protest.

And for the ones who take advantage of an open store and come out with some food, how can it be determined what their politics are?

Laying this all on the left doorstep is an assumption, not a fact.

Looting is looting. Doesn't matter what the goods taken are.

Also, violence at Leftist protests is nothing new. It occurs at virtually every one of them. It isn't some new or recent phenomena, nor is it confined to the US.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

How do you differentiate when they mix together, like they frequently do?



So? How do we know the politics of those "opportunists?"



I doubt that seriously. You might be able to show one, two, or a few cases, but the vast majority of these occur in the middle of a Leftist protest.



Looting is looting. Doesn't matter what the goods taken are.

Also, violence at Leftist protests is nothing new. It occurs at virtually every one of them. It isn't some new or recent phenomena, nor is it confined to the US.

What's to stop a RW extremist from coming out during a BLM protest and instigating violence?

Especially when they believe it will be attributed to the left?

It's not like the protests are so organized that they have lists of attendees. Anybody who wants to can come out and join in. Nobody is going to ask their politics. The way RW trolls act in forums like this, it suggests that is exactly what they would do. Their hatred is all-consuming. They believe the ends justify the means. They get swept up with excitement over having their 15 minutes of fame. Why did RW James Alex Fields Jr. do what he did? It was out of hatred. He felt that the law was worth breaking to make his political point. He plead guilty to hate crimes to avoid the death penalty.

That kind of hatred is easily enough to justify joining in with a BLM protest with nefarious intent to provoke violence and looting. Especially when they can mask up and have some belief they might never be identified.

 

[PoliTalker]

I never saw an individual with a protest sign break away from a group of sign-carrying protestors in the middle of the day and go smash a business window to grab merchandise. Never saw one carrying a sign in one hand and throwing projectiles with the other.

The merit-driven sign-carrying protestors exercising their 1st Amendment rights in the daytime are not the same people who are out there in the middle of the night rioting.

 

[MarcusA]

If Donald Trump is reelected president, expect more violence from white nationalists and far-right extremist groups.

If he is not reelected, expect more violence as well.

That’s the depressing forecast from numerous experts who monitor US-based extremist groups.

“Should he win, they will feel increasingly empowered,” said Ken Stern, director of the Bard Center for the Study of Hate at Bard College in New York. “The people on the right see Trump as supporting them.”

But, Stern warned, a Trump loss could also fuel their rage.

Prodded by the president’s own comments that he would lose the election only if it were stolen, right-wing extremist groups, “will feel betrayed and have some motivation to act,” said Stern.


https://forward.com/news/national/4...y Newsletter RSS_Test&utm_maildate=09/17/2020

Biden supporters should be assassinated, exterminated by any means necessary.

If it takes few trucks driven into crowds to crush free-elections and pave the way for a right-wing nationalist coup, so be it.

Hitler didn't pull any punches during the Night of the Long Knives, neither did the Bolsheviks; nor should the New Wave of right-wing nationalists.

The correct way for any well-intended fascist to "win" the election is simply to crush, terrorize the opposition until they have to fear for their life if they dare show up at a voting booth; simply eliminate "free" elections in any thing but name, leave the candidate most conductive to fascist ideals the only electable candidate, and we "win" without the opposition even bothering to show up.

The truth is that men are tired of liberty. - Benito Mussolini

"Freedom" in elections, speech, thought, and belief is a cancer and blight upon the nation which the nationalist right should suppress by any means necessary; the only "true" freedom worth desiring is the freedom for the strong to rule and dominate the weak by the virtue of force and and evolutionary might alone.

(This of course, means kill all untermensch who oppose us, be it liberals, atheists, libertarians, archaic "Constitutionalists" who believe that rights come from their imaginary "god" rather than might and power alone - or even mainstream "right wingers" who refuse to bow to the power of fascism.

Once America and Russia become fascist, hopefully we'll have the military power to force fascism on the rest of the world as well, and begin the realization of a New World Order - 1 world, 1 language, 1 culture, 1 race, 1 religion, 1 doctrine, imposed by the strong on the weak by force; a global, fascist transnationalist order.

 

[archives]

So, where exactly do the groups "protesting"-- using the term loosely and euphemistically-- like BLM, Antifa, etc., fall on the political spectrum exactly?

Appears the bogeyman Antifa, as everyone has been telling the right for years, isn't a "group" which makes it pretty difficult for them to be "protesting"

"FBI's Wray says Antifa more an ideology than a group, undercutting statements by other Trump officials"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...eology-group-undercutting-statements-n1240317

 

[MarcusA]

As long as it's only Jews, liberals, progressives, traitors, and other untermensch who are on the receiving end of the violence, I don't think much of value will be lost. Violence is a wonderful way to win at any cost. Why play "nice" with untermensch who ultimately belong in a gas chamber anyway?

 

[archives]

I've said this many times before. The radical Right is much better at killing people individually. They act alone in individual acts, like McVeigh did. The radical Left creates large amounts of low grade violence--property destruction, looting, graffiti, trashing city downtowns, and things like beating people but not normally killing them. Compared, the radical Left easily does ten if not a hundred times or more economic damage than the radical Right.

So, if you are counting who does what, other than a body count, the radical Left is far, far more dangerous than the radical Right. But those most loudly calling the radical Right more dangerous omit everything but the body count in claiming that. They do it on purpose because to do otherwise would squarely put the blame on the radical Left as the bigger threat to society--which it is.

I'd also say that the residents of Seattle, Portland, SF, Milwaukee, Chicago, NYC, etc., would all heartily disagree with you that Right Wing violence is their biggest threat. It isn't White Supremacists out in the streets of say Portland for the last four months burning down the city.

Wait a minute, "other than a body count," so are body counts to be dismissed as a variable in measuring perpetrated violence?

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

Right wing??? What an idiot.

Do these looters look like Trump supporters?

Do these rioters look like Trump supporters?

Trump supporter? NOT.

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The middle photo is not even in the US. Look at the license plate.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Wait a minute, "other than a body count," so are body counts to be dismissed as a variable in measuring perpetrated violence?

No. But they shouldn't be the only measure which when it comes to talking about who's doing more violence in the MSM, etc., it is.

Trump frequently accuses the far-left of inciting violence, yet right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

Over the past decade, extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists. Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says. (A senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.)

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising

When these groups and organizations talk about violence, they only discuss murders and deaths. They leave out everything else, or gloss over it.

Yes, the radical Right kills more people. The radical Left in these most recent protests have far exceeded $1 billion in property damage, injuries, losses, etc., and that number is rapidly rising. How many people have they beaten and injured? How many has the radical Left sent to the hospital? When you start including all that in the analysis the radical Left becomes the biggest threat to economic and social peace in the US by far.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello MarcusA,

Biden supporters should be assassinated, exterminated by any means necessary.

If it takes few trucks driven into crowds to crush free-elections and pave the way for a right-wing nationalist coup, so be it.

Hitler didn't pull any punches during the Night of the Long Knives, neither did the Bolsheviks; nor should the New Wave of right-wing nationalists.

The correct way for any well-intended fascist to "win" the election is simply to crush, terrorize the opposition until they have to fear for their life if they dare show up at a voting booth; simply eliminate "free" elections in any thing but name, leave the candidate most conductive to fascist ideals the only electable candidate, and we "win" without the opposition even bothering to show up.

The truth is that men are tired of liberty. - Benito Mussolini

"Freedom" in elections, speech, thought, and belief is a cancer and blight upon the nation which the nationalist right should suppress by any means necessary; the only "true" freedom worth desiring is the freedom for the strong to rule and dominate the weak by the virtue of force and and evolutionary might alone.

(This of course, means kill all untermensch who oppose us, be it liberals, atheists, libertarians, archaic "Constitutionalists" who believe that rights come from their imaginary "god" rather than might and power alone - or even mainstream "right wingers" who refuse to bow to the power of fascism.

Once America and Russia become fascist, hopefully we'll have the military power to force fascism on the rest of the world as well, and begin the realization of a New World Order - 1 world, 1 language, 1 culture, 1 race, 1 religion, 1 doctrine, imposed by the strong on the weak by force; a global, fascist transnationalist order.

It won't work.

Even if you could kill all the people who would oppose that - and that would be a LOT of killing (which they are not going to take to lightly,) you can't kill the ideas.

The knowledge would remain, the belief, the spirit of freedom and equality.

You can't kill that.

But, of course, it would never get that far anyway.

There's no way you're doing away with the Constitution. And no way you are going to intimidate people to not vote against such crazy ideas.

Here's what would really happen.

A few very anti-social wackos get the idea they can change the world by driving into crowds and they do it. Whoop de do. They take out a few people. And they get arrested. And they lose their trials and get put away for life, like James Alex Fields Jr. All the rest of the big talkers see what happened to him and suddenly get cold feet about doing the same thing.

It's never going to catch fire in the first place.

Anybody tries anything like that and they simply end up being portrayed as a kook in the news, they get their 15 minutes of fame and a life sentence. Then they get forgotten about, safely locked away, and the rest of the country goes on as before.

The only way a society survives is through people working together to build communities. We have a great nation with as much freedom as possible for everyone. Intelligent and wise people in power understand that it takes all segments of society to make America work. Everybody pulling together, doing their job, whatever it is, making their contribution to the whole. There's not enough haters to replace all those good people.

We live as a collective. Diversity is our strength. We have many voices, many views. We don't all agree and that's OK. We were never meant to have just one voice, be limited to only one narrow vision. That's why we have democracy.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

interesting that all the violence so far has been left wing, but the OP says right wing violence will "increase".......

 

[Loving91390]

No city has been burned down and there are no riots. There are constitutionally permitted demonstrations. Who shot the cops? You know who it is and what he was thinking? Was it you?

Ya right ! Google Minneapolis riots ... moron !

 

[Truth Detector]

The middle photo is not even in the US. Look at the license plate.

A difference without a distinction.

No Trump supporters here:

None here:

See any Trump supporters here?

 

[Truth Detector]

Ya right ! Google Minneapolis riots ... moron !

How about Portland too? Leftists are a plague on society. Or a virus. Everything they touch turns to shit.

No Trump supporters here; just a bunch of worthless leftist maggots wanting to turn Portland into a third world shit hole.