If you can't beat 'em, just change the rules

In just this last election there were 1.5 million more votes cast for Democratic congressional candidates yet the rejerks continue to hold a lead in the house. When more states than Maine and Nebraska join into this idiocy of a republican led drive to invalidate votes it's over for the true American will for leadership in this country. Now, you shut the fuck up. Read through THIS thread. It's all spelled out plainly for you. You look like an idiot at this point.

Yeah, that's been going on for a while. Why else would Republicans be winning in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio, then losing them in the presidential race. Oh, right, because people like their candidates for offices other than president.
 
Please keep up or shut up, Threedee. Re-districting not only provides back door avenues to lessen the value of the voter's wills for congressional seats but it also upsets the electoral college in ways that put Presidential votes in greater peril than even now. Even though Al Gore won the popular vote substantially he apparently lost in the electoral college, at least according to the Supreme Court of the United States at the time. It has happened before, will happen again. That's called republicanism.

How does redistricting impact the the electoral college?
 
How does redistricting impact the the electoral college?

Do you know who makes up the electoral college? No? Get an education and do a little critical thinking. The AG, Eric Holder, is now onto this little rethug game and promises to do everything available to him under the law to end it and do some genuine prosecuting. It's about time. Fucking around with people's votes ain't nice, don't you know?
 
Do you know who makes up the electoral college? No? Get an education and do a little critical thinking. The AG, Eric Holder, is now onto this little rethug game and promises to do everything available to him under the law to end it and do some genuine prosecuting. It's about time. Fucking around with people's votes ain't nice, don't you know?

I know how the electoral college is selected. But, the question remains, given how we vote for President today, how does redistricting impact it? How many times has the electoral college gone against the popular vote since we have been using the popular vote to determine a states electoral votes?

Yes, if we still did things according to the US Constitution and the way it was set up at the founding, you might have a point. But we do not, so therefore, you do not.
 
The Party of No Says YES to Cheating

If you can’t win by playing fair, cheat.
That seems to be the plan of Republican lawmakers in several battleground states that stubbornly keep going for Democrats during presidential elections. Thanks in part to gerrymandering, many states already have — and will continue to have in the near future — Republican-controlled legislatures.
 
If you can’t win by playing fair, cheat.
That seems to be the plan of Republican lawmakers in several battleground states that stubbornly keep going for Democrats during presidential elections. Thanks in part to gerrymandering, many states already have — and will continue to have in the near future — Republican-controlled legislatures.

Some, particularly repubs, just can't seem to grasp that or they're just playing possum thinking somebody might feel sorry for them.
 
Republicans in OH, MI, PA and VA (all controlled by the GOP at the state level) are all apparently considering changing the electoral system from a winner-take-all to awarding each candidate by congressional district.

Naturally, their rationale is that they're trying to give smaller communities "more of a voice" in those states.

Are you AGAINST proportional representation?
 
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Democracy


Democracy



Democracy is the name given to a number of forms of government and procedures which have legitimacy because they have the consent of the people they govern. The two main criteria for a democracy are, firstly that the officials exercising power have legitimate authority because they have been elected, as opposed to inheriting that authority or holding it by force; and secondly, the mechanism for changing the government is through peaceful and regular elections, as opposed to revolts, coups, or civil war. Democracy is not a theory about what the aims or content of government or law should be, only that those aims should be guided by the opinion of the majority, as opposed to a single ruler (as with an absolute monarchy, dictatorship, or oligarchy). Just because a government has been democratically elected does not mean it will be a good, just, or competent government. Thus, some polities have used the democratic process to secure liberty while others have used it to promote equality, nationalism, or other values.
 
Democracy in the United States

A significant further development of democracy occurred with the establishment of the United States. The political principles of liberal democracy that were worked out over the centuries in England and articulated by the philosophers Locke, Hume, and Montesquieu were inherited by the United States and embodied in its Constitution. Having a constitution that described functions and limited the political institutions was a novel innovation. The founding fathers who framed the Constitution wanted to establish institutions that could preserve liberty and prevent the excessive growth of government, which was seen as the chief threat to liberty. So the United States Constitution set down the framework for government with checks and balances based on the separation of powers, so that no institution or person would have absolute power. To further limit the reach of government and protect people's liberties, the founding fathers produced a Bill of Rights, a series of amendments to the Constitution. It was adopted in 1788, and provided for an elected government through representatives, and it protected the civil rights and liberties of all except slaves. This exception came to haunt the new republic. Although not described as a "democracy" by its founding fathers, today it is the model many people aspire too.


http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Democracy
 
LMAO... dear desh... we are a REPUBLIC... not a democracy. When you learn the difference, do come on back again.

dear fucking idiot.

a republic is a TYPE of democracy in EVERY fucking encyclopedia that exsists?

why is it only REPUBLICANS dont know this?
 
Republicans in OH, MI, PA and VA (all controlled by the GOP at the state level) are all apparently considering changing the electoral system from a winner-take-all to awarding each candidate by congressional district.

Naturally, their rationale is that they're trying to give smaller communities "more of a voice" in those states.
Yea they sure are. I mean WTF. They all ready have a disproportionate voice in most States. It's one of the reasons why I'm a Democrat now. Living in a metropolitan area it certainly isn't in my financial interest to vote Republican and here's why.

In Ohio we have 18 representatives in congress. The GOP has gerrymandered our State so that 11 of those Reps (mostly Repubs) represent about 33% of the population of the State, mostly rural regions. The other 7 (mostly Dems) represent about 66% of the population of the State, in mostly urban regions (Columbus, Cleveland/Akron/Canton, Cincinnati/Dayton, Toledo). So the rural regions of our State are grossly over represented in Congress.

That's also true at the State level. We have 33 State Senators. 22 represent the rural districts, again mostly Republican and about 33% of the population and 11 represent the urban regions, again mostly Democrat and about 66% of the population.

Then there are the State Reps and it's the same thing there, the rural districs are grossly over represented in the State House. We have 18 Reps from the urban districts (again 66% of the population) and 81 Reps from the rural districts (again 33% of the population) all thanks to GOP gerrymandering in recent years. To show the gross inequity Franklin county, where I live in the Columbus region has a population of 2 million but we only have 3 reps in the State house. The rural district where I'm from in Auglaize/Mercer and parts of Allen county has a population of 125,000 but they have their own State Rep. So at the State level people living in the urban regions have 1 rep per 417,000 people where rural regions have 1 rep per 46,000 people. So rural districts are recieving about 10 times the representation at the State house than people who live in urban regions.

Why is this not in my financial interest? Because for every 3 dollars of tax revenue generated in this state $2 goes to our rural regions and $1 goes to the urban regions. Actually is really a higher ratio than that because the tax revenue ratio of the urban to rural regions is more like $5 to $1 with the majority of the tax revenue being produced in the urban Democratic regions. So though we produce most of the tax revenue most of the tax revenue is spent in the rural regions. So for every tax dollar I pay at the State level roughly $1 goes to the urban regions representing 66% of the population and $2 goes to the rural regions representing 33% of the population.

Talk about makers and takers. It's pretty obvious in our State that urban democrats are the makers and rural republicans are the takers.
 
Some, particularly repubs, just can't seem to grasp that or they're just playing possum thinking somebody might feel sorry for them.
It's also desperate. The last election showed clearly that the majority of Americans voted for Democrats and that the only reason Republicans maintained control of the House was due to gerrymandering. If in 2020 the majority of States elect Democrats for Governers then the GOP is screwed and they will start losing their controls on the house and State houses as they cannot continue to draw favorable districts with out the support of their Governors.

This attempt at proportional representation in the electoral college is actuall pretty desperate and underlines how precarious the Republican sitation is with changing demographics.

If Republicans don't reform their party positions they might be able to control State Houses and the House of Reps for another 10 to 12 years but they will lose the Executive branch and with that the judiciary as well as the Senate.
 
Are you AGAINST proportional representation?
Not at all but this isn't proportional representation by population that Republicans in these States are advocating. They are advocating proportional allotment of electoral votes by geography. That the State would be divided into districts according to the number of electoral votes (i.e. congressional districts) they have and then Republican controlled legislatures could gerrymander those districts to represent their party favorably. It would not be proportional by popular vote. What this means is that a Republican candidate could lose in a State that's legilature is controlled by Republicans by a landslide margin and still recieve the majority of electoral votes. So had State Republicans in Ohio had their proportionate plan implemented Romney, who lost Oho 48% to 50% wouldn't have recieved 48% of Ohio's 18 electoral votes (8.6 EV), he would have recieved 12 EV's via gerrymandering districts. This I oppose.
 
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Don't a couple of states already apportion their electoral votes based on geographics?
No. Nebraska and Maine approtion them by population. Well actually they use a hybrid of apportioning by both congressional districts and popular vote.
 
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