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[NOVA]

Listen, out of hundreds of republican message board posters who spent all of 2003 telling me Iraq was a grave threat to the U.S. and that we would be treated as liberators, I can't think of a single one who ever admitted in the subsequent 6 years that their Iraq war was a mistake of epic proportions. Nor was one single apology proffered, not one single genuine admission that their war was a massive mistake. Not one heart-felt moment of introspection about the hundreds of thousands of dead that resulted from their war of choice.

Listen Jarod, honor and honesty are dead.

All these people were right wing bloggers before '03...Republicans?

I thing not, sonny...

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is using and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

 

[Onceler]

I keep looking in all of those quotes for the one that calls for the invasion of Iraq.

I still can't find it.

 

[NOVA]

I keep looking in all of those quotes for the one that calls for the invasion of Iraq.

I still can't find it.

And just what has that got to do with "telling you Iraq was a grave threat to the U.S. " ???

Don't you even know WTF your own post says ???

 

[Cypress]

LoL @:

1) Cypress denying the reality of many cons renouncing their support for the war.
.......

I’m not playing these disingenuous semantics games with you any more. So, if you do this shit again, don’t expect a response. You have a habit of doing this.

Look, if 4 blacks showed up to a teabag party of 60,000 white teabaggers, or if there are six blacks in the million-person Libertarian party, you have this habit of claiming it shows diversity. Sorry bro, a party or a tea bag movement that is 99.99968 percent white, is an all-white movement for all intents and purposes. People in the real world don’t debate about whether a movement that is 99.9% white has any diversity. It doesn’t. It’s fundamentally an all white movement, by the criteria of standard English lexicon.

As my post stated, I can’t recall a single republican message board poster out of hundreds I’ve run across in the last six years ever offer a genuine admission that the war they cheered on was a mistake of epic proportions. Nor offer any authentic regrets that they supported it enthusiastically. All you get is shit like the above, from Dixie or Bravo trying to avoid responsibility.

You may recall one or two republican message board posters who offered sincere apologies for their support of an appalling war of choice. Good for you. That makes 0.000000013% of republican message board posters. Which is exactly what I freaking said: that Con message board posters have never owned up for their fucked up war. I don’t consider 0.000000013% to be an indication at all that the Reich Wing has taken responsibility for their blood bath in any measurable way.

That’s the last time I’m going to respond to you whenever you pat yourself on the back that you saw a black person at some massive teabag party, or that you heard of some republican message board poster somewhere, who offered an apology for their support of the Iraq War.

 

[cawacko]

America did not protest the IRAQ war, which cost more than 50 years of public health insurance and only harmed us. Now President Obama proposed a health care plan and we get protests!

I attended three massive war protests myself in San Francisco.

 

[NOVA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
Well lets just pretend that there was an issue... Lets say the interpertation of a portion of the Constitution. All educated people for hundrids of years have agreed on the meaning....

You mean like the Second Amendment ? All educated people for HUNDREDS of years have agreed on the meaning.....
and the asshole leftist nitwits known as Democrats come along and insist it means something else ???
Does that fit you premise?

This satisfies your question Jarhead....no comments, Counselor...?

 

[Epicurus]

I’m not playing these disingenuous semantics games with you any more. So, if you do this shit again, don’t expect a response. You have a habit of doing this.

Look, if 4 blacks showed up to a teabag party of 60,000 white teabaggers, or if there are six blacks in the million-person Libertarian party, you have this habit of claiming it shows diversity. Sorry bro, a party or a tea bag movement that is 99.99968 percent white, is an all-white movement for all intents and purposes. People in the real world don’t debate about whether a movement that is 99.9% white has any diversity. It doesn’t. It’s fundamentally an all white movement, by the criteria of standard English lexicon.

As my post stated, I can’t recall a single republican message board poster out of hundreds I’ve run across in the last six years ever offer a genuine admission that the war they cheered on was a mistake of epic proportions. Nor offer any authentic regrets that they supported it enthusiastically. All you get is shit like the above, from Dixie or Bravo trying to avoid responsibility.

You may recall one or two republican message board posters who offered sincere apologies for their support of an appalling war of choice. Good for you. That makes 0.000000013% of republican message board posters. Which is exactly what I freaking said: that Con message board posters have never owned up for their fucked up war. I don’t consider 0.000000013% to be an indication at all that the Reich Wing has taken responsibility for their blood bath in any measurable way.

That’s the last time I’m going to respond to you whenever you pat yourself on the back that you saw a black person at some massive teabag party, or that you heard of some republican message board poster somewhere, who offered an apology for their support of the Iraq War.

It's not my fault you're not precise in your language and have a habit of over-generalizing.

Also, you seem to be referencing our last exchange about the Tea Party crowd. I did not say that a handful of African Americans in the tens of thousands of attendees constituted diversity. What I did was question why exactly you thought that the race of the protestors, rather than the issues they raised, was the important point to focus on.

But I'm not really sure why you went on the Tea Party tangent anyway since our discussion was about Iraq. Have most Republicans owned up to the mistake they cheered on? Absolutely not. Have some intellectually honest Republican officials and rank-and-file admitted that it was a mistake? Unequivocally yes.

 

[NOVA]

It's not my fault you're not precise in your language and have a habit of over-generalizing.

Also, you seem to be referencing our last exchange about the Tea Party crowd. I did not say that a handful of African Americans in the tens of thousands of attendees constituted diversity. What I did was question why exactly you thought that the race of the protestors, rather than the issues they raised, was the important point to focus on.

But I'm not really sure why you went on the Tea Party tangent anyway since our discussion was about Iraq. Have most Republicans owned up to the mistake they cheered on? Absolutely not. Have some intellectually honest Republican officials and rank-and-file admitted that it was a mistake? Unequivocally yes.

I wonder if the pinhead was that race conscious back in the days of the civil rights marches....whites were few and far between in those days....or was the message the important issue....????

 

[Damocles]

They have to be pessimistic, it is their job. I wonder if their estimates have been right in the past? Wasn't bird flu suppose to be bigger than it was/is?

I would like to see another estimate on this.

What are estimates for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars if we stay 10 years or more?

The CBO doesn't project anything about Bird flu. I meant the CBO... *sigh* Sometimes going too fast for my own good.