I'm here too now

Yeah, he started to go south about 6 months ago, and I gave him every benefit of the doubt until he broke his "1 rule" (LOL) and posted private shit between other posters. Since then, he's been freaking out and acting even worse. I'm glad my man G set up this board. The community is already awesome and it's growing every day. Here's to G!!!:clink:
 
the purpose of a u2u is to send a private message, that should be obvious. even sr himself his realized the gross error of his ways by apologizing for posting the private u2u messages, as well as removing the feature.
 
You can jump around it all you want, but never anywhere does it state that u2us are private....in fact, if you are dumb enough to use the board's means of communication for messages that were important enough to deem private, you deserve what came to you.
 
gonzojournals said:
It wasn't private. Show me where in the rules or on the site it says that u2us are private.

Much like on this site (Private Messaging), the name "User 2 User" message implies privacy as well as the board being specifically created to increase privacy...
 
User 2 User doesn't imply privacy. Private indeed implies privacy, but u2u never mentions any privacy anywhere in the name.
A driveway implies that you should be driving, but that is not how that particular object works.
 
gonzojournals said:
User 2 User doesn't imply privacy. Private indeed implies privacy, but u2u never mentions any privacy anywhere in the name.

Hence the use of the word "implies" it does not imply in any way that the Admin has access... If it did the name would be U2U&A... User 2 User & Admin messages...

A driveway implies that you should be driving, but that is not how that particular object works.

Rubbish, you drive on your driveway every time you enter or leave your property. It is most certainly how that object is used. This is one of the worst analogies ever... I may even give it an award, if I can figure out how to do that...
 
gonzojournals said:
User 2 User doesn't imply privacy. Private indeed implies privacy, but u2u never mentions any privacy anywhere in the name.
A driveway implies that you should be driving, but that is not how that particular object works.


Stop being obtuse. SR fucked up, posted private conversations that were never intended to be public, and his big fat head made him do it. Since this happened, his head has been inflating at an astronomical rate.
 
messages between select users doesn't imply privacy? don't be ignorant. every other message board has a private message feature, the fact that it was called u2u doesn't negate the popular function.

when you sent a message to one member, you assumed that others weren't seeing it. That means it's private.

And again, sr removed the feature. and apologized for posting the messages.
 
Damocles said:
This is one of the worst analogies ever... I may even give it an award, if I can figure out how to do that...

One of the worst? I don't think there's any competition for an analogy this bad on the planet. This, in comic book guy fashion, really is the worst analogy ever.
 
i tell you what mbl and damo. Youre just as slimy as grind and brent. There was a reason I posted those u2u's. Any message board has to have some confidence in the admin of the site to enforce it policies and maintain some sort of direction for the site. Some admins just want to create cookie cutter message boards and leave it be (like this one). Thats fine, but thats not what i wanted to do. I put a lot of time, effort, and money into FullPolitics.com. I offered it to all of you for free. I erased the porn, and erased the personal information whenever i was asked too. I was asked to do something about the troll problem and I did. I made sure the performance of the site was good and that there was no adware or spyware.

And i decided to offer more options to you, and I posted those and everyone was gung ho. Unfortunately some of my members felt like they would be missing something if they didnt try to create the board to their own liking. mind you, its my money thats paying for everything, but regardless they felt it was up to them to induce change.

They failed. You'd think that would have been the end to it. It wasnt my ego that led them to accuse me of wrong doing. That had real implications to damaging the board. The accusation that I had read people's u2u's. It was unsubstantiated and uncalled for, and was done by people with low self esteem who felt the need to "bring me down". When this happened I missed your holy than thou position of what they did. I still havent seen anything regarding it. I havent from Damo either. instead, like a coward you sided with them after i took the only course of action I felt i could to defend myself. After over a year of nothing but time and energy and money, and operating that board for you and Damo and everyone else for free, not one of you scumbags stood up and said anything. Its like the principle who gets accused of spying on the girls in the bathroom. Its an attack on the ethics and integrity of the whole operation. Im sorry for posting the u2u's as it would make members think that i might do that again, im not sorry to either grind, or dixie, or tiana, or brent for posting their lies and demonstrating their malicious intent. You may not have thought ruining the council was malicious, but surely you can see from reading the threads that attacking me was personal, and it was in defense of their lies to make themselves feel better. And yet you still say nothing.

And then Damo creates this place and proceeds to copy the very ideas I am implementing over there, ideas i proposed to all of you and you all desired. While he continues to sit idely by while people do things at fp.com that he wouldnt tolerate over here, BUT welcomes those who come here BECAUSE their behavior wasnt tolerated at the site that every single one of his members comes from. Just another example of slimey behavior.

You think this stuff has to do with ego, thats only your ignorance talking, I do these things because I want to create something, something that has a use, and something that maybe I can use to recoup my cost and something all of you can enjoy. Recoup the cost of providing those solutions to your and Damo's, and grinds, and dixies, and tiana's sorry ass's for so long for free.

Just the other nite for the first time, a member used the knowledge of someone elses personal information to research on him, and intimidate him, and i banned him for a weak. He was wrong to do that. If you werent such a scumbag you would at least acknowledge that, and when another member came over here because he didnt like that decision all of you assholes welcome him with open arms and bash me for doing the right thing. I missed all of Damo's posts about how he would do the same thing, that such behavior would have no different a consequence over here than it does there. But again youre all silent. You think Im on the banning band wagon for taking action that needed to be taken.

Just a collection of slimeballs, and its pitiful. You know whether or not i agreed or disagreed with any of you on any political issue, nothing affected your ability to take advantage of the product I was offering for free, none of my decisions or policies was based on any personal affiliation. You know this, damo knows this, all of you know this, and your scumbag behavior or your snipes at me dont change this in anyway. thats whats so dissappointing. It didnt matter to me that grind was an asshole, I offered him the chance to do his grind points as a feature on that board. And I got attacked for being unethical in return. It didnt matter to me how stupid any of you were, I still wanted all of you to enjoy features at one place that you wouldnt find anywhere.

Is it my ego that has a problem? You dont see me posting "bash mbl or Damo" threads over at fp.com do you? You dont see me enticing members to avoid this board do you?

You scumbags are something else.

SR
 
SR_ said:
i tell you what mbl and damo. Youre just as slimy as grind and brent. There was a reason I posted those u2u's. Any message board has to have some confidence in the admin of the site to enforce it policies and maintain some sort of direction for the site. Some admins just want to create cookie cutter message boards and leave it be (like this one). Thats fine, but thats not what i wanted to do. I put a lot of time, effort, and money into FullPolitics.com. I offered it to all of you for free. I erased the porn, and erased the personal information whenever i was asked too. I was asked to do something about the troll problem and I did. I made sure the performance of the site was good and that there was no adware or spyware.

And i decided to offer more options to you, and I posted those and everyone was gung ho. Unfortunately some of my members felt like they would be missing something if they didnt try to create the board to their own liking. mind you, its my money thats paying for everything, but regardless they felt it was up to them to induce change.

They failed. You'd think that would have been the end to it. It wasnt my ego that led them to accuse me of wrong doing. That had real implications to damaging the board. The accusation that I had read people's u2u's. It was unsubstantiated and uncalled for, and was done by people with low self esteem who felt the need to "bring me down". When this happened I missed your holy than thou position of what they did. I still havent seen anything regarding it. I havent from Damo either. instead, like a coward you sided with them after i took the only course of action I felt i could to defend myself. After over a year of nothing but time and energy and money, and operating that board for you and Damo and everyone else for free, not one of you scumbags stood up and said anything. Its like the principle who gets accused of spying on the girls in the bathroom. Its an attack on the ethics and integrity of the whole operation. Im sorry for posting the u2u's as it would make members think that i might do that again, im not sorry to either grind, or dixie, or tiana, or brent for posting their lies and demonstrating their malicious intent. You may not have thought ruining the council was malicious, but surely you can see from reading the threads that attacking me was personal, and it was in defense of their lies to make themselves feel better. And yet you still say nothing.

And then Damo creates this place and proceeds to copy the very ideas I am implementing over there, ideas i proposed to all of you and you all desired. While he continues to sit idely by while people do things at fp.com that he wouldnt tolerate over here, BUT welcomes those who come here BECAUSE their behavior wasnt tolerated at the site that every single one of his members comes from. Just another example of slimey behavior.

You think this stuff has to do with ego, thats only your ignorance talking, I do these things because I want to create something, something that has a use, and something that maybe I can use to recoup my cost and something all of you can enjoy. Recoup the cost of providing those solutions to your and Damo's, and grinds, and dixies, and tiana's sorry ass's for so long for free.

Just the other nite for the first time, a member used the knowledge of someone elses personal information to research on him, and intimidate him, and i banned him for a weak. He was wrong to do that. If you werent such a scumbag you would at least acknowledge that, and when another member came over here because he didnt like that decision all of you assholes welcome him with open arms and bash me for doing the right thing. I missed all of Damo's posts about how he would do the same thing, that such behavior would have no different a consequence over here than it does there. But again youre all silent. You think Im on the banning band wagon for taking action that needed to be taken.

Just a collection of slimeballs, and its pitiful. You know whether or not i agreed or disagreed with any of you on any political issue, nothing affected your ability to take advantage of the product I was offering for free, none of my decisions or policies was based on any personal affiliation. You know this, damo knows this, all of you know this, and your scumbag behavior or your snipes at me dont change this in anyway. thats whats so dissappointing. It didnt matter to me that grind was an asshole, I offered him the chance to do his grind points as a feature on that board. And I got attacked for being unethical in return. It didnt matter to me how stupid any of you were, I still wanted all of you to enjoy features at one place that you wouldnt find anywhere.

Is it my ego that has a problem? You dont see me posting "bash mbl or Damo" threads over at fp.com do you? You dont see me enticing members to avoid this board do you?

You scumbags are something else.

SR


SR, I can tell by your words that you are hurt by some of the things that are happening here at this board. I can also tell, correct me if I am wrong, that you have been drinking. Nothing wrong with that, I do it often myself.

For you to call us slimy scumbags is very telling as well. First off, this is Damo's board, and I am merely helping him out a little bit on the non technical end of things. It is his board, not ours, but I feel greatful that he has given me the opportunity to be a part of its function. That being said...

SR, I have an many, many occasions given you appreciation and gratitude for the time, effort and money that you put into your board. I have always appreciated that you provided that service free of charge. You built a great board, and I really don't think its going to fail. You and I have shared many great threads, discussions and such, but is seems our differences are what is causing the rift here. Lets be real, and forget about that jive for a moment; lets look at what has happened and what is happening.

History: Politics.com is where most of this community came together. Howard Baer was a very inept admin, and he let a great site with a great domain go to shit. It was a nightmare using his site, and you saw an opportunity. You created FP.com, and I was the very first member to join. In no time at all, virtually every member from politics.com joined your site, and you did a bang-up job. You listened to people, you adjusted your site, you made it a very fucking cool site with a great, loyal community. You did a good job.

Then, you started to get a little bit cocky about your site, and I was right there with you. We had a good old time digging on politicentral.com and yucking it up at the mistakes that bdw was making. Remember that? It was obvious as to why his site wasn't going anywhere, and we knew that, and laughed at it. Not too long after that, dlescook posted some porn, people got pissed off and that issue had to be addressed. Then the Dixie thing happened after a while with the big fonts and that had to be addressed.

You first u2u'd me and several members about a year ago about this security council thing, and I jumped aboard. You talked about shoppolitics and other things and it was all good and kosher.

Then you started the changes to your board, which you will recall that I loved, and was all in favor of. You got the ball rolling on the security council and the debate was moving right along. There were some of us, like ma and Damo, that loved the idea and were embracing it, and others like Grind and Dix that didn't like it and wanted to work within the rules the render it impotent. This is where it got ugly.

Nobody broke any rules, you felt threatened, and you crossed a very important line when you posted other people's u2u's. That, SR, whether you like it or not, said to many of your most prolific posters, that nothing is sacred, and that your board was not what you wanted us to believe it was. That's the bottom line.

SR, I don't consider you to be an enemy of mine, I once considered you a friend, and I still would if you reciprocated. But I must tell you, that you are making some serious blunders. The biggest of which is your unwillingness to take what is happening, and what will continue to happen, at face value.
 
you see this is what im talking about.

You still refuse to see it FOR WHAT IT WAS, nothing more than some assholes attacking me for not doing what they said. If you read that thread you'll notice only the ones involved are the ones attacking me. NO ONE else ever joined in, but the seed was planted.

Youre right, when a member chooses to harm the board, which was the effect of posting the insinuation that I had read u2u's, then there is nothing sacred between me and them. Anyone attacking me using my own product that I provide for free has no sacred bond with me. You keep referring to something sacred, NO ONES U2U's had ever been read. that has never changed mbl. You still have said nothing to the effect of those actions by those specific posters. Instead they're your new little regular's over here, you pat them on the back and smile. I guarantee if they did the same thing to Damo, you'd probably acted just as slimy.

Thats whats so sad. You seem to think this has something to do with me. Its not me.... its your character bro. Im not the one over at fp.com bashing you. Dude thats what you do over here to me.

Its like your little snipe about me drinking, of course im not drinking. Its not my ego dude that leads you to act that way. Its your lack of character.

There were some of us, like ma and Damo, that loved the idea and were embracing it, and others like Grind and Dix that didn't like it and wanted to work within the rules the render it impotent. This is where it got ugly.

youre right, but I had done nothing to them, none of them were banned, no action was taken. THEY attacked me, together, and you refuse to address this to this day. Again, how you relate this to my ego is beyond me, my ego has nothing to do with your lack of character or refusal to acknowledge that such an attack on the board admin, to suggest such things and ban together knowing that they were in the wrong only reflects on you mbl, not me. I stood alone.

You think I need to reciprocate your lack of integrity or ethics? Dude, your pathetic. The only blunders i have made was offering you and Damo and your other little scumbag friends a place for you debate politics for so long free of charge, or have confidence in the integrity of some of my own members. Youre right, thats my fault.

SR
 
If that's how you feel SR, what can I say? I can only relay to you what I observe. The u2u thing goes far beyond what you descrive though SR. You sensed some kine of espionage, with nobody ever breaking the rules, and you relied on that sense to go ahead and justify doing what you did. I'm not going to apologize for calling you out on posting those u2u's. Had that not happened, I would have never left. Read the thread again yourself.

I don't think were being slimey on this side of the aisle. I think you have construed this site as some sort of attack on you, when it really isn't.

SR, seriously, it is very apparent to me that you feel hurt, that there is damage to you by the creation of this site. But I have been purely candid with you. Your ego, whether you choose to put it aside and and heed what I say or not, is causing you to make some bad decisions. I will refrain from commenting about you from now on if that's what you wish.

Your board will do fine with or without this board. You've built a great site.
 
Beefy said:
If that's how you feel SR, what can I say? I can only relay to you what I observe. The u2u thing goes far beyond what you descrive though SR. You sensed some kine of espionage, with nobody ever breaking the rules, and you relied on that sense to go ahead and justify doing what you did. I'm not going to apologize for calling you out on posting those u2u's. Had that not happened, I would have never left. Read the thread again yourself.

I don't think were being slimey on this side of the aisle. I think you have construed this site as some sort of attack on you, when it really isn't.

SR, seriously, it is very apparent to me that you feel hurt, that there is damage to you by the creation of this site. But I have been purely candid with you. Your ego, whether you choose to put it aside and and heed what I say or not, is causing you to make some bad decisions. I will refrain from commenting about you from now on if that's what you wish.

Your board will do fine with or without this board. You've built a great site.


So i guess youre still going to remain silent on their attack on me, on their actions of attacking the integrity of the board. I guess without character everything is fine, unless it provides an opportunity for you.

speaks volumes about you bro, speaks volumes about all of you.

This site is no threat to me bro, ive explained this time and time again, for some reason you have a hard time understanding this.

FullPolitics.com will do fine with or without this board, in that you are correct, but would this board be shit without FP.com and the efforts i put forth that kept the community together? I think not. For that this purpose for which you choose to use this board does dissappoint me scumbag, i think the number of posts you've spent effort on bashing me or patting others on the back that do the same only goes to solidify that in my mind.

You remind me of the guy who's friend is in prison because he told a confidant that he raped five women, and you hate the person that told on him because when a friend tells you a secret its sacred. Nevermind that youre defending a rapist and attacking the one guy who told the truth. You think you can play in the mud without getting dirty. That my friend is an ego above all ego's.

Youre a scumbag dude, and that is a little dissappointing. Thats about as candid as I can get with you.

SR
 
SR_ said:
So i guess youre still going to remain silent on their attack on me, on their actions of attacking the integrity of the board. I guess without character everything is fine, unless it provides an opportunity for you.

speaks volumes about you bro, speaks volumes about all of you.

This site is no threat to me bro, ive explained this time and time again, for some reason you have a hard time understanding this.

FullPolitics.com will do fine with or without this board, in that you are correct, but would this board be shit without FP.com and the efforts i put forth that kept the community together? I think not. For that this purpose for which you choose to use this board does dissappoint me scumbag, i think the number of posts you've spent effort on bashing me or patting others on the back that do the same only goes to solidify that in my mind.

You remind me of the guy who's friend is in prison because he told a confidant that he raped five women, and you hate the person that told on him because when a friend tells you a secret its sacred. Nevermind that youre defending a rapist and attacking the one guy who told the truth. You think you can play in the mud without getting dirty. That my friend is an ego above all ego's.

Youre a scumbag dude, and that is a little dissappointing. Thats about as candid as I can get with you.

SR


SR, I'm really sorry you think of me as such, as I wouldn't care if I didn't think highly of you. I do find it telling that you only see my silnce after I left your board for reasons I've very clearly expressed. Prior to such, I was your #1 defender, and if you read the threads, which I know you have, then you'd see that I was on your side.

Honestly SR, I don't know why you're so blatantly antagonizing me right now. Maybe its because I've accused you of having a fat head? Maybe its because I've made this board my new place? Maybe its because I left your site over what I see to be a big fuckup on your part? But you are being more venemous than usual.

Perhaps the best route is that you go on your way, and grow your board as you see fit, and we will do the same here. There was never the intention of being adversaries, but is that's how it is, then that's that. Its up to you.
 
"but would this board be shit without FP.com and the efforts i put forth that kept the community together? I think not."

and your board would be shit without politic.com, so what?

SR, stop taking things so personally, we were having FUN. now maybe you didn't want us having fun, but it wasn't an "attack"
 
SR_ said:
i tell you what mbl and damo. Youre just as slimy as grind and brent. There was a reason I posted those u2u's. Any message board has to have some confidence in the admin of the site to enforce it policies and maintain some sort of direction for the site. Some admins just want to create cookie cutter message boards and leave it be (like this one). Thats fine, but thats not what i wanted to do. I put a lot of time, effort, and money into FullPolitics.com. I offered it to all of you for free. I erased the porn, and erased the personal information whenever i was asked too. I was asked to do something about the troll problem and I did. I made sure the performance of the site was good and that there was no adware or spyware.


And i decided to offer more options to you, and I posted those and everyone was gung ho. Unfortunately some of my members felt like they would be missing something if they didnt try to create the board to their own liking. mind you, its my money thats paying for everything, but regardless they felt it was up to them to induce change.

They failed. You'd think that would have been the end to it. It wasnt my ego that led them to accuse me of wrong doing. That had real implications to damaging the board. The accusation that I had read people's u2u's. It was unsubstantiated and uncalled for, and was done by people with low self esteem who felt the need to "bring me down". When this happened I missed your holy than thou position of what they did. I still havent seen anything regarding it. I havent from Damo either. instead, like a coward you sided with them after i took the only course of action I felt i could to defend myself. After over a year of nothing but time and energy and money, and operating that board for you and Damo and everyone else for free, not one of you scumbags stood up and said anything. Its like the principle who gets accused of spying on the girls in the bathroom. Its an attack on the ethics and integrity of the whole operation. Im sorry for posting the u2u's as it would make members think that i might do that again, im not sorry to either grind, or dixie, or tiana, or brent for posting their lies and demonstrating their malicious intent. You may not have thought ruining the council was malicious, but surely you can see from reading the threads that attacking me was personal, and it was in defense of their lies to make themselves feel better. And yet you still say nothing.

And then Damo creates this place and proceeds to copy the very ideas I am implementing over there, ideas i proposed to all of you and you all desired. While he continues to sit idely by while people do things at fp.com that he wouldnt tolerate over here, BUT welcomes those who come here BECAUSE their behavior wasnt tolerated at the site that every single one of his members comes from. Just another example of slimey behavior.

You think this stuff has to do with ego, thats only your ignorance talking, I do these things because I want to create something, something that has a use, and something that maybe I can use to recoup my cost and something all of you can enjoy. Recoup the cost of providing those solutions to your and Damo's, and grinds, and dixies, and tiana's sorry ass's for so long for free.

Just the other nite for the first time, a member used the knowledge of someone elses personal information to research on him, and intimidate him, and i banned him for a weak. He was wrong to do that. If you werent such a scumbag you would at least acknowledge that, and when another member came over here because he didnt like that decision all of you assholes welcome him with open arms and bash me for doing the right thing. I missed all of Damo's posts about how he would do the same thing, that such behavior would have no different a consequence over here than it does there. But again youre all silent. You think Im on the banning band wagon for taking action that needed to be taken.

Just a collection of slimeballs, and its pitiful. You know whether or not i agreed or disagreed with any of you on any political issue, nothing affected your ability to take advantage of the product I was offering for free, none of my decisions or policies was based on any personal affiliation. You know this, damo knows this, all of you know this, and your scumbag behavior or your snipes at me dont change this in anyway. thats whats so dissappointing. It didnt matter to me that grind was an asshole, I offered him the chance to do his grind points as a feature on that board. And I got attacked for being unethical in return. It didnt matter to me how stupid any of you were, I still wanted all of you to enjoy features at one place that you wouldnt find anywhere.

Is it my ego that has a problem? You dont see me posting "bash mbl or Damo" threads over at fp.com do you? You dont see me enticing members to avoid this board do you?

You scumbags are something else.

SR

You took my creation of this site more personally than ever it was my intention. When I first began to create the site it was solely for my own entertainment. Like you I personally invested in this site and have charged nobody for it.

I have wanted to start a site since the days of p.com but wanted to valuate softwares and take and create from what I saw on other boards. Regardless of how much you want to believe that the Debate area was your idea I proposed it within minutes of becoming a member of your site. I saw the idea on ATS just as I stated. You can research that one. I have been a member for several years. It was an idea that I knew I would implement as soon as I finally created a site, so I did. This is not an idea that I got from you or anybody else, it was an idea that I saw and liked from a totally unrelated site that, as far as I know, nobody in our "community" is a member of but me.

The idea is not original, it is actually something available on other sites that I am also a member of. Nor is voting for leadership positions. However, the idea of a council instead of direct moderation is unique in all the sites that I have been a member of. I salute your ingenuity, and I won't be copying it.

When I decided that someday I was going to create a board of my own and implement other ideas (not yet done and not going to be spoken of until the ideas come to fruition) I started researching. I wanted to know many things. What is the best software available? What features do they have, how are they implemented? Does the Ignore feature really create an atmosphere of disjointed and unfollowable threads? These and many questions I wanted answers to. In that I became a member of many boards with at least 5 different softwares to see which I liked the best. This is the one that I found to like the most...

Yes you posted U2Us on the board, and when it was found you had that access you apologized and, honestly in my opinion, stated that you hadn't known that you actually had that power. I definitely believe that you had never read another's U2U until the moment you were taught how by a member who was upset about that access. Then you took that power away from yourself, as far as I know you did at least... I wasn't trying to talk you down by stating that U2Us were private I was having a discussion with a member who believed that they were not. I gave an opinion on it, that was all. I have tried my best to stay out of these discussions, it was never my intention to hurt your board in any way.

You have created a great board with many dedicated members who will continue to make it a fun place to talk on politics. You have come up with a unique idea in your SC to have member participation. I hope, along with hundreds of other people who have created politics boards, to do the same.

This has barely started for me. When I have a completed project, well mostly completed anyway as I am sure it will be an ongoing and constant improvement effort, I hope to have as unique a board as any out there. Yes, currently it is a "cut and paste" as I have yet to implement most of the ideas that I plan to offer. And, as I have stated earlier, will not proclaim until they are being implemented.

I wish your site well, have never done anything but wish it well, and hope you have huge success with your site for years to come.
 
Jerry Springer:
SR_ said:
i tell you what mbl and damo. Youre just as slimy as grind and brent. ......Just a collection of slimeballs, and its pitiful.


Examples of Class:

Damo said:
I wish your site well, have never done anything but wish it well, and hope you have huge success with your site for years to come.

Beefy said:
I have always appreciated that you provided that service free of charge. You built a great board, and I really don't think its going to fail.
 
Oh, stop being such a propagandist T....you know you are taking those quotes out of sea of Jerry Springeresque shit.

Lay off of SR. He is a fair admin, has always been good to us, and only used the u2u thing when it was pointed out to him and when his property was in danger.

He is right- you all are scum. I'm suspended for doing something wrong, but the difference between us is that I can admit it.
 
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