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Dixie said:
Really? Why don't you explain to us, why Neanderthal died out? Oh, and since you stated this as a matter-of-fact, I am expecting you to provide unquestionable proof, not evidence which might suggest something. Go ahead, knock yourself out, Einstein!
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So...it's your contention that the only reason a group of people can die out is that they lack spirituality? Interesting.

Let's start w/ your contention that they were unable to assimilate into other civilizations. Neanderthals died out about 25,000 years ago. What other civilizations at that time did they have a hard time assimilating into?
 
Onceler said:
So...it's your contention that the only reason a group of people can die out is that they lack spirituality? Interesting.

Let's start w/ your contention that they were unable to assimilate into other civilizations. Neanderthals died out about 25,000 years ago. What other civilizations at that time did they have a hard time assimilating into?
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Why must you immediately twist and distort what was said? I made my points very clear, there is no need to contort them. I didn't say a word about "the only reason" for anything! I didn't say anything about Neanderthals "assimilating into other civilizations." Where did you read that? Neanderthals were unable to assimilate THEMSELVES into a civilized society!

And I haven't forgotten you are going to give us unequivocal proof of why Neanderthal died out.... that coming soon?
 
Dixie said:
Why must you immediately twist and distort what was said? I made my points very clear, there is no need to contort them. I didn't say a word about "the only reason" for anything! I didn't say anything about Neanderthals "assimilating into other civilizations." Where did you read that? Neanderthals were unable to assimilate THEMSELVES into a civilized society!

And I haven't forgotten you are going to give us unequivocal proof of why Neanderthal died out.... that coming soon?
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That's not really what you said, but we can go with that. When did the first civilized societies appear, Dix?

And there is no definitive proof on how the Neanderthals died out, though there are a few theories. I don't need to show why they did; I just need to show why your own ramblings on the matter are impossible.
 
Onceler said:
That's not really what you said, but we can go with that. When did the first civilized societies appear, Dix?

And there is no definitive proof on how the Neanderthals died out, though there are a few theories. I don't need to show why they did; I just need to show why your own ramblings on the matter are impossible.
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Well, you haven't shown where anything I've said is not possible, are you planning on doing that anytime soon?

They have discovered human civilizations over 50,000 years old... some say older. What does this have to do with Neanderthal never forming a civilization or showing any visible signs of spirituality? The oldest archeological findings of human civilization, reveals practice of rituals and ceremonies, which are associated with spiritual belief. It's what homo sapiens had that neanderthal didn't, and I think this is very valid and legitimate when exploring the possibilities of why one died out and the other thrived.
 
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Onzies said:
Oh...you made it up? Because that's not why the Neanderthals died out.

Thanks for clarifying...
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Same idiot, 5 minutes later:
Onzies said:
...there is no definitive proof on how the Neanderthals died out, though there are a few theories. I don't need to show why they did; I just need to show why your own ramblings on the matter are impossible.
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So basically, Onzies, you see your "job" as to come here and just deny and refute whatever I say off the cuff, without anything to back you up, just because you can't let Dixie get away with saying something positive about human spirituality? Is that what I am to make of this?
 
Dixie said:
Declarative statement from an idiot:


Same idiot, 5 minutes later:


So basically, Onzies, you see your "job" as to come here and just deny and refute whatever I say off the cuff, without anything to back you up, just because you can't let Dixie get away with saying something positive about human spirituality? Is that what I am to make of this?
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No - I'm not surprised that flew over your head. At all.

All I have to do is show why your ramblings are nonsensical & wrong. I could say "Neanderthals died because of constant binging on sugary soft drinks," but you don't have to show me exactly why they died to show how that is impossible.

Get it?
 
There are some in the field who actually think Neanderthals were more compassionate than their evolutionary counterparts, and even go on to suggest that this was part of their undoing.

There is certainly fossil evidence to suggest that - blind & disabled individuals often lived to relatively old ages in Neanderthal clans, which makes it pretty clear that they were cared for and protected by the rest of the group. Beyond that, at the time that they died out, aggressive behavior was the chief characteristic that determined whether a group lived or not. The Neanderthal brain shape actually suggests that they may have been too compassionate and gentle (relatively speaking) for their own good...
 
I saw on the Hitler Channel once that the Neanderthal were believed to have been more connected to nature than all of the other human species. Perhaps its because they were tree-huggers that we deem them more compassionate. :cof1:
 
Onceler said:
There are some in the field who actually think Neanderthals were more compassionate than their evolutionary counterparts, and even go on to suggest that this was part of their undoing.

There is certainly fossil evidence to suggest that - blind & disabled individuals often lived to relatively old ages in Neanderthal clans, which makes it pretty clear that they were cared for and protected by the rest of the group. Beyond that, at the time that they died out, aggressive behavior was the chief characteristic that determined whether a group lived or not. The Neanderthal brain shape actually suggests that they may have been too compassionate and gentle (relatively speaking) for their own good...
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Compassion and gentleness is not indicative of spirituality. As has been pointed out, many animals exhibit compassion, and many animals are gentle.... they don't worship or have spiritual belief. As for your 'aggression' theory, there is no evidence to suggest homo sapiens were overtly aggressive, in fact, the formation of civilized societies would indicate a passive nature instead, the desire to live together and bond with each other in peaceful cohesiveness and coexistence. You're really not offering much in the way of facts here, Onzies... it's merely your simple-minded brain trying to think your way out of this argument. It's quite fascinating to watch!
 
Onceler said:
No - I'm not surprised that flew over your head. At all.

All I have to do is show why your ramblings are nonsensical & wrong. I could say "Neanderthals died because of constant binging on sugary soft drinks," but you don't have to show me exactly why they died to show how that is impossible.

Get it?
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Well you've failed to show where anything I've actually said is nonsensical and wrong, maybe that's why you keep trying to twist and distort what I said? It's certainly not "nonsense" to make the connection between neanderthal extinction and their lack of spirituality. Especially when we have the example of a similar species who thrived and advanced, who also practiced spirituality. There was nothing neanderthal did that homo sapiens didn't do, and nothing homo sapiens did that neanderthals didn't do.... except when it comes to spiritual belief, that is the paramount difference between the two species, and it's certainly not 'nonsense' to presume it had something to do with neanderthal extinction and homo sapiens vibrancy.
 
Dixie said:
Really? Why don't you explain to us, why Neanderthal died out? Oh, and since you stated this as a matter-of-fact, I am expecting you to provide unquestionable proof, not evidence which might suggest something. Go ahead, knock yourself out, Einstein!
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I think it's because the gecko turned out to be a superior species of insurance mascots.....
 
Dixie said:
Compassion and gentleness is not indicative of spirituality. As has been pointed out, many animals exhibit compassion, and many animals are gentle.... they don't worship or have spiritual belief. As for your 'aggression' theory, there is no evidence to suggest homo sapiens were overtly aggressive, in fact, the formation of civilized societies would indicate a passive nature instead, the desire to live together and bond with each other in peaceful cohesiveness and coexistence. You're really not offering much in the way of facts here, Onzies... it's merely your simple-minded brain trying to think your way out of this argument. It's quite fascinating to watch!
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Whenever you say there is "no evidence" of something, it only shows me that you haven't looked into it at all. There is a lot of evidence in the fossil record to indicate that the more aggressive groups were the ones that prevailed - crushed skulls & other bodily trauma that was clearly inflicted by competing groups. I don't think you have ever really looked into any of this, and you certainly don't know much about Neanderthals. You just throw out an idea like "they died out because they didn't have spirituality," because the very idea of that supports whatever you're trying to argue. There is no evidence of that, if evidence is all of a sudden so important to you; let's just call it for what it is - the ramblings of your rather opinionated mind...
 
Of course it would matter, fool.....I would prove our suspicions that he is a liar and lies to the US citizens regularly....
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It probably wouldn't matter to the pinheads
 
Onceler said:
Whenever you say there is "no evidence" of something, it only shows me that you haven't looked into it at all. There is a lot of evidence in the fossil record to indicate that the more aggressive groups were the ones that prevailed - crushed skulls & other bodily trauma that was clearly inflicted by competing groups. I don't think you have ever really looked into any of this, and you certainly don't know much about Neanderthals. You just throw out an idea like "they died out because they didn't have spirituality," because the very idea of that supports whatever you're trying to argue. There is no evidence of that, if evidence is all of a sudden so important to you; let's just call it for what it is - the ramblings of your rather opinionated mind...
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Whenever I say there is no evidence of something, it's because there is no evidence of it. I said there was no evidence that homo sapiens were overtly aggressive creatures. I didn't say that homo sapiens never displayed aggression. You see, what your problem seems to be, is comprehending what I say, instead of reading something that wasn't said. I didn't "just throw out an idea" based on nothingness, I think it's important to note that neanderthal discoveries show no signs that neanderthals ever worshiped or had spiritual belief, while homo sapien discoveries show the contrary to be true, they had connection to spirituality, and the evidence is the ceremonies and rituals. Now I don't know anything "for certain" about why neanderthal died out, neither do you... as you pointed out before, there is no definitive answer there, but I can use my common sense to see that something prevalent in one species was not prevalent in the other, and perhaps that had something to do with it.
 
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